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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
The problem that I have with your logic / rationale is that you are putting adult women on the level of children - people who are incapable of fully protecting themselves.
I never suggested that the guy can and should get away with it.
What I'm saying is that as women we may have to exercise a little more judgment than men. That is to say use some common sense too.
If a girl at a party gets drunk and goes upstairs with a guy, what does she anticipate will happen? That he is going to do her taxes?
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Again you're putting the onus on women. This is the equivalent of the "women should wear burqas so as not to incite men to sin/arousal/rape" argument. I mean, you know the guys are going to get aroused if they can see your shoulder, so why not just accept that and cover up?
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
@ Drolefille
No, not only (psychologists and) evolutionary psychologists take that approach. While I consider rape to be about control and domination, I also have extensive knowledge of the limited rape as sexual fulfillment literature and research. The rape as power and domination research (not just theory pieces) is also relatively limited.
I don't necessarily agree with the rape as sex perspective and am quick to tell people "rape is about power." However, my response is after having read the "rape as sexual fulfillment" literature and agreeing with some components of it.
Rapists are like any other motivated offender in that there are different theories and research findings about why motivated offenders do what they do. There is much less research about why rapists do what they do than there is about why other offenders do what they do. Agree or disagree, whether rape is motivated by power, sex, or a combination of both is not a closed debate. All of these issues warrant continued discussion and research for further knowledge and understanding. So, yes, "some researchers say a lot of things" and I welcome all of this research and discussion regardless of whether I personally agree with all of it.
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For people who want to read some of the literature on both rape as motivated by power and rape as motivated by sex:
(1) Some consider these two books to be the main originators of the rape as power perspective:
(a) A. Nicholas Groth and H. Jean Birnbaum. 1979. Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender.
(b) Susan Brownmiller. 1975. Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape.
(2) Christopher Jarvis. 2004. Rape Myth Acceptance and Rape Proclivity. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19: 4, p. 427.
(3) Patricia Smith. Rape and Equal Protection. 1956-Hypatia. 19:2. Spring 2004, pp. 152-157 (Review).
(4) KK Baker. 1999. Sex, Rape, and Shame. Boston University Law Review. 79:3. p. 663.
(5) James Tedeschi and Richard B. Felson. 1994. Violence, Aggression, and Coercive Actions. American Psychological Association.
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Thanks for the cites, I'll put them on the list of things to look into in my non-existent spare time. (No sarcasm.)
That said, even though sometimes what I read on the subject "makes sense" that alone isn't enough to convince me that it's scientifically valid. It's a too frequent error in research - like the whole bigger brains = smarter ergo women = dumber belief. Scientists knew it was right, proved it was right, until further research occurred.
Running around in circles on it aside, the example I was responding to fully equated rape with sex and that's what I was responding to.
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