Shutter Fraternities for Young Women's Good

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I guess... I don't know all the sociology jargon.

Nevermind, I was actually giving your perspective more credit than was due. You are saying "boys will be boys." That isn't what victim precipitation and victimology are about.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

No, but I think we need to be honest and admit that they will. Once we acknowledge this, then we as women can be better prepared to defend ourselves.

They won't if people don't act as though it is inevitable. It is all about socialization and what the aggregate allows. Therefore, I as a woman refuse to acknowledge that and am well prepared to defend myself without acknowledging that. I urge other women to be safe and well prepared without acknowledging that nonsense.

"Women protect your rep and guard your vaginas from those crazily unpredictable men who may be rapists!"

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Nevermind, I was actually giving your perspective more credit than was due. You are saying "boys will be boys." That isn't what victim precipitation and victimology are about.



They won't if people don't act as though it is inevitable. It is all about socialization and what the aggregate allows. Therefore, I as a woman refuse to acknowledge that and am well prepared to defend myself without acknowledging that. I urge other women to be safe and well prepared without acknowledging that nonsense.

"Women protect your rep and guard your vaginas from those crazily unpredictable men who may be rapists!"

OH NOES MEN ARE OUT TO RAPE US!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

OH NOES MEN ARE OUT TO RAPE US!

And there really is no way to insist upon "boys will be boys" without making the primary status of men that of rapist or potential rapits. "Boys will be boys" implies that males are going through life with their balls in their hands and oblivious to anything beyond their balls. As a result, they can intentionally or accidentally become offenders. I feel sorry for them. Awwwwwwwww. Poooor babies.

It's funny because sigmadiva said that Drolefille was making women helpless children who can't protect themselves but it's okay for men to be helpless children who can't control themselves. Women need to be the safe adults here, not the men. Ahhhhhhh...this takes me back to my very first post in this thread. It doesn't need to be about "helpless women" or "boys will be boys." Those are extremes on each end of the scale. Instead, the scale should be balanced where both men and women are conscious and accountable.

/redundant

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

And there really is no way to insist upon "boys will be boys" without making the primary status of men that of rapist or potential rapits. "Boys will be boys" implies that males are going through life with their balls in their hands and oblivious to anything beyond their balls. As a result, they can intentionally or accidentally become offenders. I feel sorry for them. Awwwwwwwww. Poooor babies.

It's funny because sigmadiva said that Drolefille was making women helpless children who can't protect themselves but it's okay for men to be helpless children who can't control themselves. Women need to be the safe adults here, not the men. Ahhhhhhh...this takes me back to my very first post in this thread. It doesn't need to be about "helpless women" or "boys will be boys." Those are extremes on each end of the scale. Instead, the scale should be balanced where both men and women are conscious and accountable.

/redundant

What you said.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

And there really is no way to insist upon "boys will be boys" without making the primary status of men that of rapist or potential rapits. "Boys will be boys" implies that males are going through life with their balls in their hands and oblivious to anything beyond their balls. As a result, they can intentionally or accidentally become offenders. I feel sorry for them. Awwwwwwwww. Poooor babies.

It's funny because sigmadiva said that Drolefille was making women helpless children who can't protect themselves but it's okay for men to be helpless children who can't control themselves. Women need to be the safe adults here, not the men. Ahhhhhhh...this takes me back to my very first post in this thread. It doesn't need to be about "helpless women" or "boys will be boys." Those are extremes on each end of the scale. Instead, the scale should be balanced where both men and women are conscious and accountable.

/redundant

It was this very "women as victims men, especially fraternity men, as lewd predators" that led to my college's crazy lawsuit and John Stossel coming to campus. Luckily, the PCU-type administrators are gone but I can see how it happens at other schools.

[33girl]

Strictly physically speaking, a man who becomes aroused and doesn't see it through to its conclusion IS going to be far more uncomfortable (for lack of a better word) than a woman who becomes aroused and doesn't see it through. That's simple biology. Young men do not always do a good job of using their brain instead of their hormones.

I honestly think there are a lot of nice, sweet, thoughtful, enlightened guys who end up acting in ways they normally wouldn't because the biological urges are so strong. It truly is impossible for a woman to understand how that feels.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Strictly physically speaking, a man who becomes aroused and doesn't see it through to its conclusion IS going to be far more uncomfortable (for lack of a better word) than a woman who becomes aroused and doesn't see it through. That's simple biology. Young men do not always do a good job of using their brain instead of their hormones.

I honestly think there are a lot of nice, sweet, thoughtful, enlightened guys who end up acting in ways they normally wouldn't because the biological urges are so strong. It truly is impossible for a woman to understand how that feels.

The bolded sounds very strange coming from a woman in the first place.

And my question then is, how do other guys, whether "enlightened" or sexist pigs, seem to manage to avoid acting in those "ways?"

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The bolded sounds very strange coming from a woman in the first place.

And my question then is, how do other guys, whether "enlightened" or sexist pigs, seem to manage to avoid acting in those "ways?"

Some men have more willpower than others. Some men have weaker urges than others. I find it bizarre that you don't understand that men and women are biologically different, and that within those two genders are differences. I'm talking about YOUNG men for whom all this is relatively new.

I'm sure there are guys who went out on a date with a girl never intending to exert any sort of pressure who ended up doing so because of their physical urges. If you don't understand that, you must not have dated males in high school or college. Then again, you said you didn't like going to mixers and pretty much looked down your nose at them, so maybe you didn't.

But NONE of this applies to the original post and giving someone a freakin' roofie. Or what fraternities have to do with it.