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Old 11-16-2006, 02:06 AM
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It is idealism. It is nationalism. However, striving towards something we'll never get to, doesn't mean it wouldnt bring improvement. Also, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I don't expect such people to be persuaded to a view like mine. I value things a lot differently than you, I would suspect.

"If it's about the people then, based on the logic I'm reading from your posts, self-serving citizens who want to succeed while other hardworking Americans fail should be considered unAmerican."



-Contradictory,how so? I think you'll have to come up with something interesting to make that one stick. I do think its somewhat un-American to serve only yourself. Granted, thats simply an opinion, I'm not qualified to determine who is American and who isn't...If you'll note, I'm not against helping people, I've said this numerous times, I'm against people demanding to be helped. I'm also against people being forced to help, especially when the system providing the aid is such an utter failure. Forced giving just doesn't hold the value that true giving does...it doesn't hold as much significance with the people receiving or to the person giving. Also, I'm not against some sort of government aid, safety net if you will, but I've yet to see it work.

Back to my idealism, I think that if government left us the responsibility, we'd have no choice to act. I truly believe the American people would respond, we generally do. But then, I still place some faith in this country.

However, when the majority of people think government is what makes this country great, then we've already lost. Pack it up folks, its over.
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