Michigan voters ban affirmative action

jubilance1922 · #1 11-13-2006, 07:29 PM

There is already a thread on this topic. Please post there.

PiKA2001 · #2 11-13-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jubilance1922

There is already a thread on this topic. Please post there.

You mean the general back and forth banter for/against AA in university admissions? I'm talking past college, in the work-force, in a minor-majority state, is there a place for affirmative action? proponets of AA are saying that whites just shot themselves in the foot banning this, since they are expected to be the minority in michigan within ten or so years. Is AA even designed for that? I feel like the system would collapse before benefiting a white male.

AGDee · #3 11-13-2006, 11:29 PM

I had started a thread about the proposal before the election...

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=81918

DSTCHAOS · #4 11-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Instead of people nitpicking and debating where AA should fit, college or in employment, the bigger discussion is about the state of this country and whether we can challenge the status quo without such measures in place.

If we find that we still need AA (like we still need EEO and social welfare initiatives) somewhere then it doesn't matter where it is implemented. Prejudice and discrimination were never so selective so why are people trying to be?

AKA_Monet · #5 11-14-2006, 03:43 AM

Pike2001--

What are you really trying to say? Do you live in Michigan? And does the elimination of AA directly affect you?

Have you been displaced by any person of color, sex or disability for access and opportunity?

I just cannot get out of my head when I heard Mrs. Betty Shabazz speak. She kept saying "you MUST read the 1965 Civil Rights Act if you say you are for liberation...

PiKA2001 · #6 11-14-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Pike2001--

What are you really trying to say? Do you live in Michigan? And does the elimination of AA directly affect you?

Have you been displaced by any person of color, sex or disability for access and opportunity?

I just cannot get out of my head when I heard Mrs. Betty Shabazz speak. She kept saying "you MUST read the 1965 Civil Rights Act if you say you are for liberation...

Yeah, i'm from Michigan. I didn't vote to ban AA, and as far as I know, it has never affected me. I'm not too in tune with HR or hiring practices, but EEO and AA always confused me in the sense that they somewhat contradicted each other. I wondered if AA was even necessary because we have EEO, which protects individuals of all backgrounds from discriminatory hiring practices.

shinerbock · #7 11-14-2006, 06:28 PM

AKA, i still don't get the whole "if it doesn't affect you, you shouldn't care," attitude. So if white on black racism doesn't affect me, I guess I shouldn't care about that either.

AKA_Monet · #8 11-14-2006, 06:45 PM

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AKA, i still don't get the whole "if it doesn't affect you, you shouldn't care," attitude. So if white on black racism doesn't affect me, I guess I shouldn't care about that either.

I don't care what you think, period...

Now with that being said, I am not asking a question of emotion and wondering how people feel about it.

What I am asking is "what is/are your experience(s) with the relevant question"?

If you have never been overtly discriminated against, then how would you know what the problem is? Especially if you are not visualizing it everyday or you actually live in the midst of the problem...

Until the United States solve the issues with poverty, then we will never get beyond equal rights and protections as asked by the Feds.

madmax · #9 11-15-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Pike2001--

What are you really trying to say? Do you live in Michigan? And does the elimination of AA directly affect you?

Have you been displaced by any person of color, sex or disability for access and opportunity?

I just cannot get out of my head when I heard Mrs. Betty Shabazz speak. She kept saying "you MUST read the 1965 Civil Rights Act if you say you are for liberation...

How has AA helped you?

shinerbock · #10 11-15-2006, 06:17 PM

DSTS, how is it feasible. Its not working now, so tell me your plan. America is not what it is because of our government, its because of our people. There is opportunity here, and it doesn't start or end with the US government.

Basically, what I'm interested in is how the government is going to help people in poverty, and who is going to pay for it. I think I probably know the answer to the second part.

DSTCHAOS · #11 11-15-2006, 11:49 PM

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DSTS, how is it feasible. Its not working now, so tell me your plan. America is not what it is because of our government, its because of our people. There is opportunity here, and it doesn't start or end with the US government.

Basically, what I'm interested in is how the government is going to help people in poverty, and who is going to pay for it. I think I probably know the answer to the second part.

We currently have safety nets. Combatting poverty is not only about having safety nets but also challenging the class pyramid formation.

LOL. America is what it is because of our government. We haven't been without a government for hundreds of years. The opportunities here most certainly begin and end with the government. Even wealthy people know that. That doesn't mean that the government completely controls the people's drive for success but the government provides certain incentives for success and lack thereof. It's how the status quo is upheld.

Everyone's going to pay for it. The poor pay taxes too. We all pay the same percentage. Of course those with more money will pay more in the end. That's okay because they get all sorts of tax breaks and tax writeoffs. They will survive. Trust.