NYU Alpha Sigma Tau: Some chapter Sisters Dismissed

[exlurker]

According to a recently-posted article, at NYU (New York University) Alpha Sigma Tau HQ dismissed 49 chapter members, whereupon another 19 resigned in solidarity.

All this apparently stemmed from attendance at a fraternity event where alcohol was available / served.

For more details and comments, see article posted Jan. 26, 2012:

http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2012/0...ers-dismissed/

[33girl]

If people other than the sorority and fraternity members were at the event, as it sounds they were, how on earth can you consider it a mixer? Mixers are by definition private parties between a fraternity and a sorority. It sounds like these guys just rented a place and anyone - including nonstudents - could attend. This would be kind of like saying that if everyone in the sorority went to a Giants game and everyone in a fraternity went there, that IT was a mixer.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Is this the same event that person posted Youtube videos about?

[violetpretty]

There has to be more to this.

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Is this the same event that person posted Youtube videos about?

I believe so.

[victoriana]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Is this the same event that person posted Youtube videos about?

Ugh, yes. It was a huge problem for nationals, but it was handled quickly and the videos were immediately removed. I was able to watch it a few times before it was taken down, though. From what I understand, the chapter had been having RM issues with both the university and our national organization. They refused to comply with their probation, and as a result, their chapter was cleaned out. It's such a shame that these girls decided to be bitter and take no responsibility. The video they posted was pretty slanderous, in my opinion. I was not happy about the way AST, as an organization, was dragged through the mud. I'm just glad this whole ordeal is over. I think that nationals did the right thing, even though it's sad to see so many sisters leave the organization on bad terms.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If people other than the sorority and fraternity members were at the event, as it sounds they were, how on earth can you consider it a mixer? Mixers are by definition private parties between a fraternity and a sorority. It sounds like these guys just rented a place and anyone - including nonstudents - could attend. This would be kind of like saying that if everyone in the sorority went to a Giants game and everyone in a fraternity went there, that IT was a mixer.

For some groups, having an entire chapter go to a Giants game together would be considered a chapter activity, whether or not it was planned. Having alcohol involved would break chapter rules so having a chapter claim that this party was "open" to try and skirt probation restrictions is a little disingenuous, and I don't blame their national officials from seeing right through it. Obviously this wasn't a one time event, and the explanation in the story is a simplistic representation of the events. I don't envy an organization that has to deal with these sorts of issues, especially with this some women in this generation that refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

For some groups, having an entire chapter go to a Giants game together would be considered a chapter activity, whether or not it was planned. Having alcohol involved would break chapter rules so having a chapter claim that this party was "open" to try and skirt probation restrictions is a little disingenuous, and I don't blame their national officials from seeing right through it. Obviously this wasn't a one time event, and the explanation in the story is a simplistic representation of the events. I don't envy an organization that has to deal with these sorts of issues, especially with this some women in this generation that refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, to all of this. On my camps 1/3 of the chapter at an event with alcohol = chapter event, period.

And there is NO WAY this was a one-time thing.

[victoriana]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yes, to all of this. On my camps 1/3 of the chapter at an event with alcohol = chapter event, period.

And there is NO WAY this was a one-time thing.

It wasn't, for sure. It makes me so sad to see this happen, but I think what our national organization did was the right thing.

[ElieM]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

On my camps 1/3 of the chapter at an event with alcohol = chapter event, period.

How did this work with Popular Poppie's birthday party where she has a massive party and invites, along with all her other campus friends, all her sisters to a party?

[naraht]

Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ElieM

How did this work with Popular Poppie's birthday party where she has a massive party and invites, along with all her other campus friends, all her sisters to a party?

Originally Posted by naraht

Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

They have to follow the rules set down by their organization. Beer being sold by the Washington Redskins isn't the problem. The major problem is the lack of respect for rules while the chapter is on probation. A lot of things are ignored when chapters have a history of following the rules, but when a chapter shows they refuse to follow any of the rules...

[ASTalumna06]

I have a question..

This JUST happened, correct? So why is initiation in January? Is NYU running on a quarter or trimester system, rather than semesters?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by naraht

Combining the two scenarios, does that mean that if greater than a certain percentage of an NPC sorority chapter at Georgetown University attend a Washington Redskins game that they would be in trouble because Beer is sold at the game?

Nobody would be in trouble, but it would be a chapter event, and thus subject to the rules of a chapter event. On my campus, that means that you had to do certain paperwork in advance and follow certain rules regarding alcohol.

That said, I come from a campus where chapters were usually 150+, so you'd have to hit 50 women to be at the 1/3 of a chapter mark. It's a bit of a stretch to think that 50+ women would coordinate to do something that wasn't officially a chapter event and/or planned well in advance.

Also, if 51 women go to a Giants game without filling out paperwork, and NOTHING GOES WRONG, it probably doesn't register as a blip on anyone's radar...CPH doesn't care, HQ doesn't care, etc. It's when 51 women go to a Giants game and one of them is rushed to the hospital for alcohol poisoning that suddenly we have a problem on our hands.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I have a question..

This JUST happened, correct? So why is initiation in January? Is NYU running on a quarter or trimester system, rather than semesters?

No, it happened last fall. Apparently the site that ran the article just found out about it and ran with the story based on the information provided only by expelled members.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The major problem is the lack of respect for rules while the chapter is on probation. A lot of things are ignored when chapters have a history of following the rules, but when a chapter shows they refuse to follow any of the rules...

This. In chapters that are in trouble, there's frequently this culture of trying to get around the rules with what the misbehaving members believe are technicalities. It wasn't their party so it shouldn't count. They don't believe the organization is serious about the consequences, especially when they continue to misbehave in large numbers. No one would ever expel that many members, right? They should have consulted with women who were once members of the Theta chapter at JHU. They thought they were smarter than their organization as well.