Nun excommunicated for allowing abortion to save the life of a mother

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Always thought the Church being a geriatric based patriarchy was a bad idea. And since I am kind of curious can you PM me lol?

Fixed it for you

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

And by forcing lets say Catholics to perform abortions, which are against their religious beliefs, how is that not a violation?

Are you suggesting that the government would be forcing Catholics to perform abortions or would withhold federal/state money? Remember the "Hyde Amendment" and the abortion hang-ups in the health care debate -- I really don't think that's a Medicare/Medicaid issue anywhere.

The Constitution only says what the federal government and state governments can and cannot do. It is irrelevant in interactions between individuals and private institutions like hospitals, schools, businesses, etc. While someone forced to act against their religious beliefs by a private institution might have a cause of action for violation of civil rights, the Constitution doesn't enter into it.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Are you suggesting that the government would be forcing Catholics to perform abortions or would withhold federal/state money? Remember the "Hyde Amendment" and the abortion hang-ups in the health care debate -- I really don't think that's a Medicare/Medicaid issue anywhere.

The Constitution only says what the federal government and state governments can and cannot do. It is irrelevant in interactions between individuals and private institutions like hospitals, schools, businesses, etc. While someone forced to act against their religious beliefs by a private institution might have a cause of action for violation of civil rights, the Constitution doesn't enter into it.

Hospitals aren't allowed to refuse emergency care to patients. What if said emergency care required terminating a pregnancy like the case here?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Hospitals aren't allowed to refuse emergency care to patients. What if said emergency care required terminating a pregnancy like the case here?

That's pretty much the exception in (at least) 46 states it appears. Although an EMT got fired for refusing to transport a woman for an abortion (he sued of course) The NY nurses association says that nurses have the right to refuse care on moral grounds except in the case of an emergency. NY law says that they can refuse with no emergency exception.

I couldn't find anything about emergency care + abortion that was really asking what you're looking for. Unless someone in medical care knows here. (I did find out how Obama's going to force every doctor in America to perform abortions. Probably standing over them with a gun if they don't do it. )

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's pretty much the exception in (at least) 46 states it appears. Although an EMT got fired for refusing to transport a woman for an abortion (he sued of course) The NY nurses association says that nurses have the right to refuse care on moral grounds except in the case of an emergency. NY law says that they can refuse with no emergency exception.

I couldn't find anything about emergency care + abortion that was really asking what you're looking for. Unless someone in medical care knows here. (I did find out how Obama's going to force every doctor in America to perform abortions. Probably standing over them with a gun if they don't do it. )

No he'll just use his new second army.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

No he'll just use his new second army.

Is it a secret muslin army? Because otherwise I'm not joining.

Ha, i just found this: http://isbarackobamamuslin.com/

[AGDee]

Muslin really doesn't seem like it would make a good uniform.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Is it a secret muslin army? Because otherwise I'm not joining.

Ha, i just found this: http://isbarackobamamuslin.com/

HAHAHA. No I was talking about the so called second army that was created with the healthcare bill.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Muslin really doesn't seem like it would make a good uniform.

That sounds racist.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

HAHAHA. No I was talking about the so called second army that was created with the healthcare bill.

How'd I miss this?

I'm amused that essentially a reserve of doctors/nurses/medics for cases of emergency or war is a secret army.

I'm surprised some of these people haven't given themselves heart attacks with all the things they panic over.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's pretty much the exception in (at least) 46 states it appears. Although an EMT got fired for refusing to transport a woman for an abortion (he sued of course) The NY nurses association says that nurses have the right to refuse care on moral grounds except in the case of an emergency. NY law says that they can refuse with no emergency exception.

I couldn't find anything about emergency care + abortion that was really asking what you're looking for. Unless someone in medical care knows here. (I did find out how Obama's going to force every doctor in America to perform abortions. Probably standing over them with a gun if they don't do it. )

I picturing ophthalmologists trying to figure out how to do an abortion!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I picturing ophthalmologists trying to figure out how to do an abortion!

They'll go in through the eyes!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

They'll go in through the eyes!

That'd be a long path!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That'd be a long path!

Maybe it's more efficient, like going to the heart through the thigh. I'm sure the optic nerve is connected. Somehow.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Maybe it's more efficient, like going to the heart through the thigh. I'm sure the optic nerve is connected. Somehow.

Hmmm...through the brain! Ahh...it's a CONSPIRACY to lobotomize everyone in the country! Ahhhhhhhhh! Rush Limbaugh, save us!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Hmmm...through the brain! Ahh...it's a CONSPIRACY to lobotomize everyone in the country! Ahhhhhhhhh! Rush Limbaugh, save us!

No, just a conspiracy to lobotomize the REAL AMERICANS (tm)