Univ of Texas at Austin Rush Story fall 2009 - Page 3

gee_ess · #31 09-05-2009, 06:15 PM

I am actually surprised that they are mentally tallying legacies in the final numbers...Sure many might think, "Wow, we have a ton of legacies. We can't take all of them." But I am wondering if actually assigning a numerical breakdown to legacies actually happens.

Just interested · #32 09-05-2009, 06:24 PM

I think some groups do have to make a decision early. With so many legacies going through, they have to decided which legacies they are keeping and which they are not to allow the legacy the opportunity to look at other groups and not to think they are going to be XYZ because they are a legacy. (This was discussed in another thread) I feel sure it is an individual chapters prerogative to determine how many legacies they are keeping until the end and I imagine it varies from year to year. But again, that's only speculation on my part.

gee_ess · #33 09-06-2009, 10:25 AM

I totally agree, Just Interested. I do believe that is a likely occurrence. I have just never heard of chapters deciding on an actual number. I am not saying it doesn't happen, just that I have heard of such a specific and limiting policy.

AXOrushadvisor · #34 09-09-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'd like to see a system where panhellenic makes up a list of all pnms released from recruitment after each round and distributes the list to the houses. Any house that wanted to give a released pnm a second chance could invite that pnm to the next party without counting her against release figures, and would be free to extend her a bid without counting her in quota. That way, houses are never forced to invite or bid any pnm they don't want, but they have an incentive to re-invite pnms who might have slipped through the cracks due to shyness, lack of connections, whatever.

The last time I suggested this, someone pointed out that sneaky pnms might collude with their #1 house and deliberately be rude at every house in order to be cut, with the understanding that #1 would invite them back as an "extra." I can see that as a risk in small systems, but would it really happen at a place like UT? Wouldn't actives in the other sororities talk, realize what was going on, and report it?

The only problem I see with this is the same problem I was told exist with a sophomore/jr quota. A lot of time these women are still active in recruitment with smaller houses. If there were a separate quota it would hurt the smaller houses and help the larger houses. I had heard our campus was going to do a separate quota, but it didn't end up happening for that reason. I can tell you a lot of sophomores were released because most folks already had a large sophomore class and need the freshman for housing and membership.

Just interested · #35 09-09-2009, 06:43 PM

AXORushAdvisor, you've raised an interesting question and perhaps this is a hijack of this entire thread but I'm going to ask it anyway. I'd like to hear from campuses who have instituted and upper class quota separate from freshman quota. Has it hurt or helped the smaller chapters.I know it was brought up at a campus I'm familiar with but voted down. I can see it only helping chapters by encouraging more sophomores to go through recruitment and thus over all increasing the number of new members. It seems like a win win to me. I know Georgia and Alabama are the two that come to mind that have upper class quota. It would be still up to larger chapters to fill that quota and wouldn't go against them if they chose not to and would allow smaller chapters to encrease their numbers significantly.

Titchou · #36 09-09-2009, 08:04 PM

If you get out the bid list for Alabama this year and count NMs, Old Row groups will be obvious.....

BSSellers · #37 09-09-2009, 10:35 PM

Sounds like UT needs more sororities. I don't know how many are on campus but I am sure there are several national sororities that would love to be there. There is no excuse for a university not to provide enough chapters to give a large number of girls an opportunity to be in a sorority.

ComradesTrue · #38 09-09-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BSSellers

Sounds like UT needs more sororities. I don't know how many are on campus but I am sure there are several national sororities that would love to be there. There is no excuse for a university not to provide enough chapters to give a large number of girls an opportunity to be in a sorority.

You joined 5 years ago, and waited until now to post? And you made your first post about a university/system that you are not personally familiar with?

Interesting.

APhiAnna · #39 09-10-2009, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

If you get out the bid list for Alabama this year and count NMs, Old Row groups will be obvious.....

Why? I'm just curious and completely unfamiliar with Alabama rush...do the "Old Row" groups get more quota additions because they have more legacies? I don't know what you are alluding to but I LOVE learning more about how SEC recruitment works.

gee_ess · #40 09-10-2009, 08:53 AM

Legacies have nothing to do with quota additions. In my experience, quota additions are usually matched with their first choice, so the numbers will be higher for houses who had more girls picking that house #1.

Titchou · #41 09-10-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by APhiAnna

Why? I'm just curious and completely unfamiliar with Alabama rush...do the "Old Row" groups get more quota additions because they have more legacies? I don't know what you are alluding to but I LOVE learning more about how SEC recruitment works.

While I could write a dissertation on this, I truly do not have the time nor inclination for it! It can be a little difficult to believe if you a) didn't grow up here with it or b) haven't lived here aa while and learned it. So, a little project for you if you really want to know:

1) Read all threads on Alabama recruitment (esp this year's)
2) Read all the threads on Old Row at Alabama
3) Read the Wikipedia article on "the machine", a secret Greek political organization at Alabama
4) PM me if you still don't "get it...."

srmom · #42 09-10-2009, 03:34 PM

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Sounds like UT needs more sororities. I don't know how many are on campus but I am sure there are several national sororities that would love to be there. There is no excuse for a university not to provide enough chapters to give a large number of girls an opportunity to be in a sorority.

Reasons for NO.

Other chapters have tried to colonize over the years and failed. It is very hard to break in there.

Quota is less than 50, so there's room in the houses that exist there now.

Numbers of pnms has declined over the years, not increased.

Houses are owned privately by the organizations (ie - no greek village or university owned houses) and the real estate is astronomically expensive in West Campus. And, it is near impossible to recruit without a house.

I could go on, but I'm at work..

sigmadiva · #43 09-10-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TXAPhiGirl

I think it's great that A&M is finally growing in the Greek system. When my husband was there, he told me how small the system was, and how overlooked it was, because the main focus of the school is so much about the traditions of the Corps.

Fixed it for ya! It's Corps of Cadets.

TXAPhiGirl · #44 09-10-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

Reasons for NO.

Other chapters have tried to colonize over the years and failed. It is very hard to break in there.

Quota is less than 50, so there's room in the houses that exist there now.

Numbers of pnms has declined over the years, not increased.

Houses are owned privately by the organizations (ie - no greek village or university owned houses) and the real estate is astronomically expensive in West Campus. And, it is near impossible to recruit without a house.

I could go on, but I'm at work..

I'll go on for you.

There is quota for a reason, and girls that want to join sororities will find a home if that's where they want to be. Will it be THE top choice, or THE sorority they had their heart set on going in. Not always, but that's life and we don't always get what we want.

As for homes trying to colonize here, many have tried and many have failed. I know that about 5 years ago, one of our sororities went off campus, because they had trouble recruiting girls. My freshman year, AGD had folded.

She is 100% correct in saying that the number of girls has decreased over the years, not increased. My freshman year, they were talking 60+ for quota. Now, most houses are taking in around 50, and she's also spot on with saying that the real estate in Austin is just flat out ridiculous. Anyone trying to colonize here would be looking at spending at least half a million to purchase a half rate home.

I just think that so many girls drop out of rush because they don't get the house they thought and won't give any other one's a chance. I'll never forget my sophomore year rushing a girl that, straight out looked at me and said, "My sister was a XYZ, My mother was a XYZ, my grandmother was a XYZ and her mother helped colonize the chapter here." I had no idea what to say. I just looked at her, said, "Have fun at XYZ. Would you like something to drink?" She just looked at me and went to sit down on our couch. So, again, I think sometimes the girls might do it to themselves..

TXAPhiGirl · #45 09-10-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Fixed it for ya! It's Corps of Cadets.

Thank you! Can you tell I didn't major in spelling.

I also want to say props to you kids down there in Aggieland. It's nice to see your girls sporting some cute gear for football games. My husband used to think I was a fool to get dressed up to stand outside, but now that the girls are doing it down there, I'm finally like, "See...huh....yeah! It's not just me." So, thank you, sorority girls of A&M, for making an old chick feel young again.