Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

LOL, I EXPECT THERE TO BE A "FREE STARANG21" IN BIG ASS BROWN LETTERS IN YOUR SIGGY.

Of course! Fun times. Fun times.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I agree.
Has anyone else wondered about this:
Signed up Feb 2005
First posting today, April 28, 2008

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I didn't wonder - I knew. Sockpuppet.

Or a realllllly patient person.

For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site. Which is not breaking news by any means to many of us. In any case, as it was explained to me, their HQ has a few volunteers join GC to follow various discussions. And not only the discussions within their specific GLO forum, but general threads as well. (When one joins GC, one may sign up for notices etc.) According to my "friend", most do not post while they are monitoring. However, others elect to join in the discussions.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TSteven

For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site. Which is not breaking news by any means to many of us. In any case, as it was explained to me, their HQ has a few volunteers join GC to follow various discussions. And not only the discussions within their specific GLO forum, but general threads as well. (When one joins GC, one may sign up for notices etc.) According to my "friend", most do not post while they are monitoring. However, others elect to join in the discussions.

Yes, these sites are monitored.

It's really dumb for someone from a nhq to join in a discussion about the Bible and homosexuality, though, if it's going to be under a "cloud of mystery." I hope that particular username is anything but a nhq person.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yes, these sites are monitored.

It's really dumb for someone from a nhq to join in a discussion about the Bible and homosexuality, though, if it's going to be under a "cloud of mystery." I hope that particular username is anything but a nhq person.

I should have been more clear. I was simply addressing one reason as to why a first post might come years after the poster has joined GC.

[RushLeader08]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I find it interesting that you stood up-I can not speak for any other but I was thinking more of:
GreekChatObserv

only because swtxbelle always has something mean to say about how im a troll or dity or something

[RushLeader08]

oh sorry i thought i was getting my head bitten off again i didnt know you were talking about GreekChatObserv

Originally Posted by TSteven

For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site. Which is not breaking news by any means to many of us. In any case, as it was explained to me, their HQ has a few volunteers join GC to follow various discussions. And not only the discussions within their specific GLO forum, but general threads as well. (When one joins GC, one may sign up for notices etc.) According to my "friend", most do not post while they are monitoring. However, others elect to join in the discussions.

I know for a fact that there are at least 2 members of International Council who regularly post in the AGD forum. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more that we don't know about. Dozens of VST members are here as well.

I remember we couldn't even make any mention of GreekChat at the 2004 Convention if an IC member was within earshot.

[perdido88]

I know of certain fraternities, which convey strong christian principles. The members consider homosexuality as something immoral, and there is an immorality clause in their rulebook, which states that they can expel a member if they conduct in an immoral manner. One of the members stated that if they know of a member, who is engaging in homosexual acts, then they can begin proceedings to expel such member. Never mind that many members are straight but engaging in adulterous affairs, which would constitute an immoral act. So it seems there are double standards.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by perdido88

I know of certain fraternities, which convey strong christian principles. The members consider homosexuality as something immoral, and there is an immorality clause in their rulebook, which states that they can expel a member if they conduct in an immoral manner. One of the members stated that if they know of a member, who is engaging in homosexual acts, then they can begin proceedings to expel such member. Never mind that many members are straight but engaging in adulterous affairs, which would constitute an immoral act. So it seems there are double standards.

Or engaging in sex before marriage. Are these NIC fraternities like Sigma Chi and ATO, with a strong Christian background (but do not require their members be Christian) or other fraternities that are more Christian focused to the point where no non-Christians would join?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by TSteven

For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yes, these sites are monitored.

Originally Posted by OTW

I know for a fact that there are at least 2 members of International Council who regularly post in the AGD forum. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more that we don't know about. Dozens of VST members are here as well.

Agh! *whispers* Big Brother's watching!

[shinerbock]

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

people are hypocrites.

[DSTCHAOS]

Regardless of where the line is drawn at the individual level, it is wonderful that the law recognizes the difference between illegal behaviors (underage drinking, rape, etc.) and perceived deviant and immoral behaviors (homosexuality, sex before marriage, promiscuity, etc.).

That's all.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

people are hypocrites.

What a cop-out.