Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[shinerbock]

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

people are hypocrites.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

people are hypocrites.

What a cop-out.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

What a cop-out.

i overlook some things and not others.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

i overlook some things and not others.

Uh huh...which is great for YOU

But not great if you're trying to make everyone else piss everytime you drink water.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Uh huh...which is great for YOU

But not great if you're trying to make everyone else piss everytime you drink water.

shut up.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing.

I'll give you underage drinking, but surely you are not suggesting that rape, drug use, destruction of public property, theft and riot (or hazing, for that matter) happen in every chapter? (I have feeling that by "some fraternities," shinerbock meant "some chapters of some fraternities.") Because unless you are, the "some fraternities" fits.

[shinerbock]

Jon, I don't get what you're saying.

Because fraternities based on Christian tenets sometimes condone or ignore sinful behavior, they should openly welcome other sinful behavior? Maybe that is rational response in some universe, just not in mine.

What does rape have anything to do with it? I've certainly never been a part of any group that condones rape, or anything remotely close to rape. I hope you haven't either.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Jon, I don't get what you're saying.

Because fraternities based on Christian tenets sometimes condone or ignore sinful behavior, they should openly welcome other sinful behavior? Maybe that is rational response in some universe, just not in mine.

I think the issue is the hypocrisy. If you won't condone sinful behavior, fine, but don't only play the morality card on homosexuality. If you have a morality standard than hold to it. If you only use said standard to keep out the people you don't like then you're a hypocrite.

(Plural You)

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think the issue is the hypocrisy. If you won't condone sinful behavior, fine, but don't only play the morality card on homosexuality. If you have a morality standard than hold to it. If you only use said standard to keep out the people you don't like then you're a hypocrite.

(Plural You)

i guess i'm not a hypocrite because i think homosexuality is disgusting and that's the reason i wouldn't vote a gay dude in.

LOL

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

i guess i'm not a hypocrite because i think homosexuality is disgusting and that's the reason i wouldn't vote a gay dude in.

LOL

shut up

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think the issue is the hypocrisy. If you won't condone sinful behavior, fine, but don't only play the morality card on homosexuality. If you have a morality standard than hold to it. If you only use said standard to keep out the people you don't like then you're a hypocrite.

(Plural You)

I think it can be borderline hypocritical. But of course we're not talking about going out and condemning all gays to hell, and then living an immoral personal life. We're talking about not partaking in or accepting one sin just because you fall victim to another. Acknowledging that something else is a sin, as a sinner, doesn't make you a hypocrite in my mind. But, maybe everyone else's definition is different. Is it hypocritical to personally object to drugs simply because you drink?

I think many fraternities have double standards, but whether they engage in hypocrisy, I'm not sure. I don't really think it matters that much, I'm sure I'm hypocritical at times, but that is still no reason to condone something I find morally wrong.

Now, if your entire decision is based on homosexuality, the sin, then yeah you're likely taking a hypocritical stance if you ignore the faults of other people. But like I said, I think this is a non-issue. If your choices are to be hypocritical or condone a sin, does it really matter which choice you make? There is an answer, as I noted earlier, but it certainly isn't to forgo hypocrisy while embracing some other morally repugnant activity.