Christian terrorists hijack a plane

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by blueangel

If there was a holy war against the Muslims, I'm sure those causing the violence against the Islamic community would get lots of press too.

Actually, there is no holy war against muslims in America. Just hate crimes. There's been attacks on mosques, individuals and death threats. Hardly any press coverage.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

Obviously, you wont pick up a hardcopy of the Quran yourself and you want the easy way out. Alright, let me break it down for you. Your first citation is "Qu'ran 39". This is not the right way to cite a verse from the holy book. You must have the chapter name or number and verse number. Example: Al-Baraqa 50. Al-Baraqa is the chapter name. 50 is the specific verse. Or you can write it like so..surah 2 (which is Al-Baraqa):50. There is no chapter in the Quran named Quran. Therefore the first quote you gave me wasINCORRECT.

Your second citation is "Ishaq:587". There is no chapter called "Ishaq". In fact, the closest sounding chapter is "Al-Ishiqaq". I thought this was a good-faith mistake until I looked at the verse #. 587. The longest chapter in the Quran is Al-Baraqa. It contains 286 verses. Let me repeat this in case you missed it. There is no chapter and no such verse in the Quran.

Now, I ran some searches on google to see where you might have gotten them and here are the top results:

First verse:

An acoustic guitar forum
Prophet of Doom (lol)
JihadWatch

Second verse:

Prophet of Doom
Jihad in Islam (understanding-Islam.com is a Christian website)
FaithFreedom


They cite those verse the same (incorrect) way. I can only assume you went to one of those sites to get your verses. Like I said, you're wasting your time and you have already wasted mine for making me type an essay.


Have a nice day

NICE.

_Opi_ I also found those same references in some Bob Jones University "educational material" that is kept at the theological centre here at UofT...

Oh... as for blueangel's 4% Fundamentalist stat... ummm what percentage of Christians would fall into the same bracket? Or didn't the 'study' mention that...

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by epchick

Maybe you aren't understand correctly, but _Opi_ already said that she would not answer you, so please quit badgering her about answering your questions.

I'm going to say it, time and time again...if you want the answers to your question, actually go out, do some research, take a class, talk to a sheik (that's what they are called right?).

Besides, "fight" does not always mean "coming to blows" or any physical violence. For all we know, back when Mohammed said it, he could have meant something totally different.

Like others have mentioned, there are passages in the Bible that are pretty questionable now, but that is because we put our own little "twisted" spin on it.

Maybe YOU don't understand. I cut and pasted this from another thread for one of the posters who asked about it. I am not pressing Opi, because she has made it clear she will not answer my questions in detail.

And yes, I do agree that "fight" may not necessarily mean "come to blows" which is why I am asking for someone who is Muslim to clarify for me. So far, nobody has stepped up. Why? There never seems to be a shortage of Christians who are willing to clarify verses in the New Testament.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

Actually, there is no holy war against muslims in America. Just hate crimes. There's been attacks on mosques, individuals and death threats. Hardly any press coverage.

Yes, there has been violence on Muslims, just as there has been violence on Buddhists, Christians, and Jews. Are you saying there are Christian, Buddhist or Jewish cells and training camps which are organized against Muslims? Are you denying there are no Muslim cells, networks and training camps organized against non-Muslims?

[kddani]

Originally Posted by blueangel

which is why I am asking for someone who is Muslim to clarify for me. So far, nobody has stepped up. Why? There never seems to be a shortage of Christians who are willing to clarify verses in the New Testament.

Last time I checked, the official Muslim spokesperson is not a member of GC, unless I missed their thread somewhere.

Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

If you'd like to learn more about the Muslim culture and teachings, do your own research and stop demanding that others educate you. You alone are responsible for your own learning.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by kddani

Last time I checked, the official Muslim spokesperson is not a member of GC, unless I missed their thread somewhere.

Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

If you'd like to learn more about the Muslim culture and teachings, do your own research and stop demanding that others educate you. You alone are responsible for your own learning.

This is a discussion board last that I checked. Is Opi immune from defending her statements in her first post? Afterall, she brought religion into the news media coverage of the hijacking, and it is she who is making a premise that she does't seem to be able to defend.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by blueangel

This is a discussion board last that I checked. Is Opi immune from defending her statements in her first post? Afterall, she brought religion into the news media coverage of the hijacking, and it is she who is making a premise that she does't seem to be able to defend.

Perhaps if you had asked nicely she would have responded.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by kddani

Perhaps if you had asked nicely she would have responded.

Kind of an interesting thing to say when you upset Opi with this exchange:

Originally Posted by kddani
Your tone makes it sound like you're trying to start some sort of race/religion debate here or put words in people's mouths.

Originally Posted by _Opi_
It's not a race debate, it is a religious one. If you don't like this discussion, you don't have to respond. But if you didn't notice, there is another thread about "radical islam". So religious threads are plenty in GC.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Kind of an interesting thing to say when you upset Opi with this exchange:

I'm not the one demanding information from her.

And why are you speaking as to how Opi feels, since you're not her?

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by kddani

Last time I checked, the official Muslim spokesperson is not a member of GC, unless I missed their thread somewhere.

Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

If you'd like to learn more about the Muslim culture and teachings, do your own research and stop demanding that others educate you. You alone are responsible for your own learning.

THANK YOU.

[Lil' Hannah]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Quote:
Originally Posted by _Opi_
It's not a race debate, it is a religious one. If you don't like this discussion, you don't have to respond. But if you didn't notice, there is another thread about "radical islam". So religious threads are plenty in GC.

I don't read the words "I am upset" anywhere in this post.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl

THANK YOU.

co-sign.....

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by blueangel

I was a law reporter for many years, and have seen that tried many times... usually by green trial attornies.

Liar.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by blueangel

But, could there possibly be a peaceful interpretation of the above quoted Q'uran passages? It seems to be all about "forcing" others to convert.. not about "witnessing" or "spreading the word."

Many Christians believe in forced conversion, particular the earlier missionary efforts. Witnessing and spreading the word can be very forceful and frightening depending on who the person witnessing is and who the person being witnessed to feels about it.

Either case, there's nothing "peaceful" about figurative warfare. But it doesn't make it any less figurative.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by kddani

Just because there's Christians who are willing to "clarify" things doesn't mean that a) they should; b) they're correct; or c) that they have ANY idea of what they're talking about. It's nice that the Muslim GC members have more sense than that.

It's pretty clear that no one is a spokesperson for the religion or its doctrine.

With that said, there are probably just fewer GC Muslims than there are GC Christians who post regularly. This difference in numbers changes the odds/probability of such questions being answered. It isn't necessarily about "having more sense than that" () because I know at least a couple GC Muslims who do answer such questions on message boards whenever they have time on their hands and/or feel like being bothered with educating people.