The other ΣAE

[blackvalentino]

Hi just call me Valentino, I'm from the Philippines. I'm a member of ΣAE Philippines est. 1966.

No, we're not related with ΣAE USA est. 1856. Although we have a lot in common, like having 8 founders, having the same day of foundation (9), and most importantly the same name. We already contacted them back in the 80's, and our leaders were discussing on a merge but no merge was agreed upon since we accept women in our organization, but we maintained friendship with them, those discussions were under the leadership of Kenneth D. Tracey(ΣAE USA) & our very own Dr. Publico & Dr. Illanes.

I am here to read and discuss about fraternities.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by blackvalentino

Hi just call me Valentino, I'm from the Philippines. I'm a member of ΣAE Philippines est. 1966.

No, we're not related with ΣAE USA est. 1856. Although we have a lot in common, like having 8 founders, having the same day of foundation (9), and most importantly the same name. We already contacted them back in the 80's, and our leaders were discussing on a merge but no merge was agreed upon since we accept women in our organization, but we maintained friendship with them, those discussions were under the leadership of Kenneth D. Tracey(ΣAE USA) & our very own Dr. Publico & Dr. Illanes.

I am here to read and discuss about fraternities.

[ASTalumna06]

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/announcement.php?f=90

[amIblue?]

So, I went to the website of SAE Phillipines, and their crest does not appear to be in any way similar to the US-based fraternity.

http://www.saephilippines.org/#aboutus

[naraht]

There are a number of Philippines Fraternities with the same name as the US Fraternities. The relationship cover the entire range from recognized/started by US Brothers (Alpha Phi Omega) to the US group trying to actively trying to sue them out of existance. (Phi Beta Kappa/Alpha Tau Omega)

Sigma Alpha Epsilon of the Philippines at a National Level seems to be fairly consistent in using their logo (Large Eagle extending through a Circle landing on a triangle), but there is certainly work to be done..

For Sigma Alpha Epsilon Philippines, the name comes from Society of Agricultural Engineers. While I don't know (and don't want to know) why Sigma Alpha Epsilon USA chose that name, I do believe the brother who told me it wasn't Society of Agricultural Engineers (I'd be shocked if any NPC/NPHC/NIC group had a name that came from an English Phrase.)

In short, to Sigma Alpha Epsilon USA, there are Philippines groups with *worse* confusion in regards to using USA Symbols.

OTOH, to the Sigma Alpha Epsilon Philippines brothers. Yes, you represent yourself with the same Greek Letters. They don't mean the same thing and in addition to that there is *nothing* in your history that gives you any right to tie yourself to Sigma Alpha Epsilon of the United States. (So they had 8 founders like you, *shrug*)


As a follow-up having seen the attempted reachouts from the Philippines of both Alpha Sigma Phi -Philippines (which although one ASPhi-USA national president was interested) and Delta Upsilon -Philippines, it becomes *quite* clear to me that no Social Fraternity in the United States will ever attempt to make an international organization out of a group with the same name in the Philippines, the underlying concepts of how Fraternity life are just too different. (For example, it is completely foreign for an NIC fraternity to have any sort of underlying high school group affiliated with it. (The NPHC groups do, but they would be even less likely to affiliate than the NIC groups))

Is there the possibility that a professional GLO (or more likely an honorary) in the USA will welcome Philippines chapters, yes, but that's no where near the situation here...

[naraht]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

So, I went to the website of SAE Phillipines, and their crest does not appear to be in any way similar to the US-based fraternity.

http://www.saephilippines.org/#aboutus

Yes, at the National level they've gotten more strict and as they make that more clear to their brothers, I hope things will get less annoying to SAE-USA.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by naraht

(I'd be shocked if any NPC/NPHC/NIC group had a name that came from an English Phrase.)

I know of at least one that does, actually.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I know of at least one that does, actually.

OK, I'd be surprised if there were any NIC/NPC/NPHC GLOs whose names were from the initials of an English Phrase displayed prominently in their history.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by naraht

OK, I'd be surprised if there were any NIC/NPC/NPHC GLOs whose names were from the initials of an English Phrase displayed prominently in their history.

I wouldn't be. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've read in public histories of at least a few GLOs for which that is the case, though I can't remember who right not.

But I'd also remember that just because the letters may have originally been inspired by English words or an English phrase, that doesn't mean they weren't given a deeper (and non-English) meaning later.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I wouldn't be. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've read in public histories of at least a few GLOs for which that is the case, though I can't remember who right not.

But I'd also remember that just because the letters may have originally been inspired by English words or an English phrase, that doesn't mean they weren't given a deeper (and non-English) meaning later.

Agreed. But I don't think any US Socials indicate that the english phrase is where the name comes from.

[33girl]

Aspire, Seek, Attain?

Active, Self-Reliant, Trustworthy?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Aspire, Seek, Attain?

Active, Self-Reliant, Trustworthy?

Arguably, the Philomathians and Adelphians as well.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Aspire, Seek, Attain?

Active, Self-Reliant, Trustworthy?

I always presumed those were post 90s buzzword thingies.

[HQWest]

Do Good?
Sons of Christ?
Keys to the Kingdom of God?

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Do Good?
Sons of Christ?
Keys to the Kingdom of God?

I thought we established here before that KKG doesn't stand for Keys to the Kingdom of God?