Sophomore Quota

PNM128 · #1 06-15-2012, 11:35 PM

Forgive me if this has been asked before but I've tried searching through the threads on here to have this answered. My school has a sophomore quota (and since I'm rushing as a sophomore, i thought this would be beneficial), however, I've read a lot on here that sophomore quotas aren't the same as regular quotas. Or something along that lines, meaning, that the sororities don't really need to fill it. My school's recruitment page states this about sophomore quotas: "An upperclassmen quota is a seperate quota that is used to specifically place upperclassmen Potential New Members. It makes the recruiment process more friendly!" So I thought it was like an extra added onto the regular quota. Like if the sororities had a quota of 60 and then they would have a sophomore quota of 10 or something that they would also fill. Is this right or do I have it wrong? Aren't sororities' goals to fill their quotas?

AZ-AlphaXi · #2 06-15-2012, 11:47 PM

An upper classman quota exists to encourage chapters to take uppermen. It is not mandatory, however, that they do so.

KSUViolet06 · #3 06-15-2012, 11:57 PM

Please read:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=upperclassman

dancingdiva · #4 06-16-2012, 09:42 AM

I am also interested in rushing my sophomore year as well. I was no so sure about rushing my freshman year, but I'm definitely interested now. I attend Ole Miss and rush is extremely competitive here. I know rushing as a sophomore can be somewhat a disadvantage, but is there any advice for increasing my chances of receiving a bid?

carnation · #5 06-16-2012, 09:44 AM

Read the link and search for related ones.

33girl · #6 06-16-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PNM128

Aren't sororities' goals to fill their quotas?

Actually, no, a sorority's goal is to get the best possible members. If all they wanted to do was "fill their quotas" they could grab randoms off the street and initiate them.

A sophomore or upperclass quota is for the benefit of the sophomores or upperclassmen, not for the sorority.

DubaiSis · #7 06-16-2012, 01:14 PM

But wouldn't you say in general that sororities with upper class quota do fill them?

Titchou · #8 06-16-2012, 02:46 PM

I would say they generally do fill both quotas. The main reasons being the campus perception of them if they don't (not that all groups care about that) and the pressure from their national organization to pledge to quota. A lot of awards are based on getting to quota so those groups and chapters have other pressures on them to fill all quotas.....though there are those who snub their noses at "having" to fill quota. They got who they wanted and that's all they want...no matter what anyone thinks.

DeltaBetaBaby · #9 06-16-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Actually, no, a sorority's goal is to get the best possible members. If all they wanted to do was "fill their quotas" they could grab randoms off the street and initiate them.

A sophomore or upperclass quota is for the benefit of the sophomores or upperclassmen, not for the sorority.

This is a bit of a hijack, but it actually helps the WRCs, over time. Breaking quota into freshmen and sophomores means that the freshman quota is lower than a combined quota would be, so the SRCs get fewer freshmen and a few sophomores, rather than getting all freshmen, and leaving the sophomores to the WRCs, who then continue to struggle with numbers because they have women for three years instead of four.

So, in general, I think any campus with a decent number (say, more than 5% of PNM's) of sophomores/juniors rushing should do an upperclassman quota.

33girl · #10 06-16-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

I would say they generally do fill both quotas. The main reasons being the campus perception of them if they don't (not that all groups care about that) and the pressure from their national organization to pledge to quota. A lot of awards are based on getting to quota so those groups and chapters have other pressures on them to fill all quotas.....though there are those who snub their noses at "having" to fill quota. They got who they wanted and that's all they want...no matter what anyone thinks.

I thought that an upperclass quota wouldn't "count" as far as national perception...that it was more just to help out upperclass PNMs. Like say quota is 50 and UC quota is 5...as long as ABC gets those 50 they're OK with they're HQ to get the Awesomesauce award or whatever.

I also was under the impression that UC quota didn't really figure in the math of PNMs finishing pref (or whichever round it's set after) divided by number of sororities...that they were "extra."

But if that is the case, maybe the HQs should impress on the women that excellent PNMs come in all classes, instead of fostering the "freshmen are best" mentality. (Then we wouldn't need a UC quota.)

33girl · #11 06-16-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This is a bit of a hijack, but it actually helps the WRCs, over time. Breaking quota into freshmen and sophomores means that the freshman quota is lower than a combined quota would be, so the SRCs get fewer freshmen and a few sophomores, rather than getting all freshmen, and leaving the sophomores to the WRCs, who then continue to struggle with numbers because they have women for three years instead of four.

So, in general, I think any campus with a decent number (say, more than 5% of PNM's) of sophomores/juniors rushing should do an upperclassman quota.

This is only relevant if the campus is one where subpar freshman > than excellent sophomore. On many campi this is not the case (thank God) and a freshman who is just "average" gets sent home from all the chapters to try again next year. As it should be, IMO.

DeltaBetaBaby · #12 06-16-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

This is only relevant if the campus is one where subpar freshman > than excellent sophomore. On many campi this is not the case (thank God) and a freshman who is just "average" gets sent home from all the chapters to try again next year. As it should be, IMO.

Fair, but if you replace "sophomore" with "junior", you can, sadly, almost always say "mediocre freshman" > "excellent junior" if you have a 2-year live-in requirement.

Titchou · #13 06-16-2012, 06:09 PM

Not trying to be snarky, 33Girl, but since you aren't a member of all 26 NPC groups, you can't know whether a national organization pressures them to fill all quotas. Mine happens to track that. Yours may not. It just depends. That's why I said "generally" and "that not all groups care about that."

KSUViolet06 · #14 06-16-2012, 06:33 PM

^^^The point I think that 33 was trying to make was just that sophomores aren't guaranteed a bid just because their school uses an upperclassman quota. Which is what the PNM who posted here seems to be wondering about.

PNM128 · #15 06-17-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

^^^The point I think that 33 was trying to make was just that sophomores aren't guaranteed a bid just because their school uses an upperclassman quota. Which is what the PNM who posted here seems to be wondering about.

Oh no, I didn't mean it like that. I know I'm not guaranteed a bid even if it was mandatory for chapters to fill quota (i'm sure there are more sophomores/juniors rushing than quota allows bids for). I was just wondering if the chapters would be more inclined to disregard the quota or to fill it. As it seems, I guess it varies by chapter.