FAA: 2 planes nearly collide in Fort Lauderdale

[jon1856]

FAA: 2 planes nearly collide in Fort Lauderdale

One plane misses turn on taxiway and enters wrong runway

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19730441/

2 Planes Nearly Collide at Florida Airport

Thursday , July 12, 2007


Two planes came within 100 feet of colliding at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport after one missed its turn onto a taxiway and entered the runway where the other was about to land, federal authorities said.

Air traffic controllers noticed a plane entering a runway Wednesday as Delta Flight 1489 approached the same runway for a landing, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said.
The controllers alerted the Delta crew to pull up and circle the airport to avoid United Flight 1544, which had missed a turn onto another taxiway, Bergen said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289102,00.html

[Tom Earp]

They always blame the Tower controllers, but what was this Pilot thinking and did not make the correct turn!

Where was this bozo from?

True, I have flown into many big air ports and some are scarry as hell!

But these jet jockys are suppose to know the airport they fly in and out of!

[DeltAlum]

Near misses happen a lot more often than we want to know.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Near misses happen a lot more often than we want to know.

True. If one wishes to find out what you do not see in local news:
http://www.airsafe.com/
http://aviation-safety.net/index.php
http://www.airline-safety-records.com/
http://www.ntsb.gov/

[DeltAlum]

I was in an airplane landing in Denver a couple of years ago and we were literally "over the fence" (over airport boundry) probably less than 500 feet in the air and had to "go around." The pilot announced that there was still another aircraft on the runway.

Thankfully, someone caught it, be we should have never been that close behind another landing airplane.

[Tom Earp]

Ah, D A know only to well!

Struck by lightning.
Ended up in W D C not not St. Louis.
Fogged in and Limoed to JFK.
Same trip, changed flights and the one I was supposed to be on was skyjacked.
Omaha, battery over heated and could have blown up.
Shuttle from Louisville to St. Louis, was broken!
Only TWO PLANES.
Weapon I was carrying in checked baggaged ended up in Arizona.
Lugage ended up in KC, I was stuck in St. Louis.
Baggage handlers locked in cargo bay, plane was getting ready to fly to Miami.

Amazing to say the least!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I was in an airplane landing in Denver a couple of years ago and we were literally "over the fence" (over airport boundry) probably less than 500 feet in the air and had to "go around." The pilot announced that there was still another aircraft on the runway.

Thankfully, someone caught it, be we should have never been that close behind another landing airplane.

Goodness........yeah we were flying into Los Angeles a couple years ago and I swear we were three feet from landing and the pilot pulled up and shot us back in the air because of traffic on the runway.

Might have been cool in an F-16........not cool in a 757.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Might have been cool in an F-16........not cool in a 757.

Yeah. I was also in a 757. That's a lot of airplane to do a "go around" in.

The pilot really poured the coals to that sucker.

I always hope that at an airport like DIA, with six active runways, that the controllers know where everyone in every pattern is when this kind of thing happens.

There's a lot of hardware in a reasonably small airspace.

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I was in an airplane landing in Denver a couple of years ago and we were literally "over the fence" (over airport boundry) probably less than 500 feet in the air and had to "go around." The pilot announced that there was still another aircraft on the runway.

Thankfully, someone caught it, be we should have never been that close behind another landing airplane.

Probably some dipshit who either: crossed the 'hold' line (that solid and dashed line painted on the taxiway no one is supposed to cross without permission from ATC) or a lazy-ass who's too slow to clear the runway after rollout.

Try doing a go-around in a 'Mad Dog' MD-80... Back when Continental flew MD-80s I was flying into 27R at IAH (Houston Intercontinental) when the captain hit the 'TOGA' (take off/go around) switch and we were forced into a go-around. After some serious, quick fighter-jock maneuvering from the captain with the concurrence of ATC we lined up into the crosswind runway complex (15L)and landed without a problem without having to get back into the landing queue for 27R. Sure enough, the previous aircraft didn't clear the runway.

BTW... I was self-loading cargo, not flight crew.

[xo_kathy]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Goodness........yeah we were flying into Los Angeles a couple years ago and I swear we were three feet from landing and the pilot pulled up and shot us back in the air because of traffic on the runway.

Might have been cool in an F-16........not cool in a 757.

I had that once, too. Landing in Phoenix, but it might have been an Aribus...It was a really bumpy descent anyway - the kind where everyone is nervous, not just the scared fliers. We were so close to the runway you had then sense of relief - whew, we're landing - when we shot almost straight up, it threw us all back in our seats.

We all just stared at each other, then the pilot came on - "Sorry, there was another plane on our landing runway. We'll try again when the traffic clears."

If that wasn't scary enough, we had to deal with another bumpy descent.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by xo_kathy

I had that once, too. Landing in Phoenix, but it might have been an Aribus...It was a really bumpy descent anyway - the kind where everyone is nervous, not just the scared fliers. We were so close to the runway you had then sense of relief - whew, we're landing - when we shot almost straight up, it threw us all back in our seats.

We all just stared at each other, then the pilot came on - "Sorry, there was another plane on our landing runway. We'll try again when the traffic clears."

If that wasn't scary enough, we had to deal with another bumpy descent.

A few months ago my girl-friend and I flew into Lagaudia Airport.
As we were landing, I told my friend that I had never seen this approach or runway before.

We landed fine but almost immediately it felt as if the pilot had thrown out two sea anchors. And hit the brakes hard as well.

Never found out what happened. Could have been one of the shorter runways or.....

I should point out that the cockpit door was still closed while we deplaned.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by AlphaSigOU

Probably some dipshit who either: crossed the 'hold' line (that solid and dashed line painted on the taxiway no one is supposed to cross without permission from ATC) or a lazy-ass who's too slow to clear the runway after rollout.

It was either the latter or ATC just let us get too close behind.

At DIA, a runway is almost never used by both arrivals and departures at the same time and runways and/or taxiways don't cross anywhere on the airfield.

(following for AlphaSigOU and others who might be interested...)

One of the things they did right with the "new" Denver airport was put it on a 55 Square Mile site, which was the largest in the world at that time, so there is room for up to twelve runways. It opened with four and is now up to six. There is also room to expand all of the three concourses and additional room to build two more. There is enough room between concourses for jets to push back from each side, and two additional jets to taxi between them simultaneously. Also, because of our altitude, thin air and heat during the summer, one of the runways is either 16 or 18,000 feet to allow any jet to take off with a full load of passengers and fuel for non-stop flights to Europe or the Pacific Rim. We also have the only pedestrian bridge that aircraft actually taxi under between the main terminal and Concourse A.

When it opened, DIA was the only airport in the world that could land three airplanes at the same time in near zero visibility. It may still be. They figured that might never happen, but there was a mini-blizzard and they actually did it on opening day.

ETA a funny story. I helped televise the opening day. All of the local TV stations have fiber optics in multiple areas of the airport, and we all had the gate covered for the first arrival. Unfortunately, the jetway froze to the ground and they couldn't move it so they had to move the plane to the next gate over.

[ZTAngel]

Originally Posted by jon1856

A few months ago my girl-friend and I flew into Lagaudia Airport.
As we were landing, I told my friend that I had never seen this approach or runway before.

We landed fine but almost immediately it felt as if the pilot had thrown out two sea anchors. And hit the brakes hard as well.

Never found out what happened. Could have been one of the shorter runways or.....

I should point out that the cockpit door was still closed while we deplaned.

LaGuardia is a hard airport to fly into since it's on the water. Admittedly, I'm a very nervous flier but I get especially nervous when I fly into LaGuardia. It's always a white-knuckle landing for me.

[DeltAlum]

LaGuardia is a tough airport in many ways -- but it's closest to midtown.

I've been stranded there many times and had a really bizarre situation there -- but it's too long to write.

[AGDee]

I've always had an issue with the term "near miss". Near death means you almost died. Shouldn't near miss mean that you almost missed? If you almost missed, then didn't you hit?

Just one of those weird English language things that bugs me...