Bye-Bye Zundel - Holocaust Denier to be deported

[RACooper]

Holocaust denier Zundel ordered deported to Germany

Good news from the Supreme Court of Canada....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...el_deportation

Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel faces immediate arrest, prosecution in Germany

2 hours, 55 minutes ago


COLIN PERKEL

TORONTO (CP) - Notorious Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel faces immediate arrest and prosecution for spreading hate on his return to Germany, German authorities said Friday.

Zundel, whose deportation from Canada was imminent following a scathing Federal Court decision, is wanted for running afoul of German laws against denying the Holocaust.

"He will be picked up immediately and then arrested," a German official who requested anonymity said Friday.

"If there is an arrest warrant, then we have to prosecute if he's in our jurisdiction."

Of particular importance will be determining whether Zundel, a German national, is responsible for the website that bears his name and what exactly it contains, the official said.

"It will certainly take a certain time to check everything."

Immigration authorities did not immediately return calls on when Zundel would be sent back.

On Thursday, Federal Court Justice Pierre Blais smoothed the way to expel Zundel, 65, on the grounds that he is a white supremacist hatemonger who poses a threat to national security.

Zundel has spent more than four decades in Canada, the last two in solitary confinement in a Toronto jail under a national security certificate.

In his 63-page decision cheered by Jewish groups, Blais concluded Zundel was a hypocrite who nurtured his extremist neo-Nazi extremist views behind a veil of pacifism.

"Zundel's activities are not only a threat to Canada's national security but also a threat to the international community of nations," Blais wrote.

While the decision cannot be appealed, Zundel's lawyer Peter Lindsay has indicated he would make two last-minute attempts to stay the deportation.

He was not immediately available to comment Friday.

Zundel, a longtime resident of Toronto, moved to the United States and was trying to gain U.S. citizenship. He was arrested in Tennessee for overstaying his visa and deported to Canada in February 2003.

His detention under the controversial national security certificate, which allows for indefinite detention, has prompted several rallies in his support, including some in recent weeks.

Despite the length of time he has spent in Canada during which he has had frequent legal and human rights battles, Zundel was never able to convert his landed immigrant status into citizenship.

Zundel has long argued the Holocaust never occurred, and that Jews have used the "alleged" atrocities as a way to extort money from the German government.



Last month, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (news - web sites) expressed shame over the horrors of the Nazi era, acknowledging that Adolf Hitler's regime enjoyed wide support among Germans.

Schroeder's comments came amid grim memorials of the liberation of the Auschwitz death camp, part of the Nazi killing machine that murdered six-million Jews and others killed in concentration camps during the Second World Wa

On another Supreme Court related matter...

The Supreme Court of Canada has ordered a new trial in the case of some skinheads charged with hatecrimes from a 1997 rally here in Toronto... which of course means I have the great pleasure of testifying against them again... and almost certainly recieving death threats and such again...

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

so.. did he actually do anything or is this another example of how the US is great because of our First Amendment?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
so.. did he actually do anything or is this another example of how the US is great because of our First Amendment?

You mean other than the re-publishing and distrubution of hate literature advocating genocide against "undesirables"? or the literature and lectures he constantly makes on the denile of the Holocuast? or the laundering of money for groups like Aryan Nation? or the organization of the Heritage Front - which has been implicated in the fire bombing of Mosques, Synagogues and recently Churchs that have preformed same-sex marriages?

Oh and Canada does have in it Charter of Rights and Freedoms a clause protecting free-speach (Section 2b actually).

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by RACooper
You mean other than the re-publishing and distrubution of hate literature advocating genocide against "undesirables"? or the literature and lectures he constantly makes on the denile of the Holocuast? or the laundering of money for groups like Aryan Nation? or the organization of the Heritage Front - which has been implicated in the fire bombing of Mosques, Synagogues and recently Churchs that have preformed same-sex marriages?

Oh and Canada does have in it Charter of Rights and Freedoms a clause protecting free-speach (Section 2b actually).

so- you're saying Free Speech as long as it's what Big Brother Canuck says is OK?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
so- you're saying Free Speech as long as it's what Big Brother Canuck says is OK?

Pretty much the same as the US 1st Amendment - except that provisions are embedded within the Charter to exclude things like hate speech - ie. the advocation violence against or denegration of others based on sex, sexuality, religion, ethnicity, age, or culture...

So yes free speech as long as someone doesn't take you to court over what you have said (private individuals or the government). Zundel's main defense was that he was advocating his freedom of expression and speech - but the Supreme Court just didn't buy it... and I don't blame them - the guys a grade 'A' nutter that has been exploiting legal loopholes and avenues to keep himself in Canada and to keep promoting his hate for decades now.

Of course that isn't to say that others haven't tried to take non-legal action against him... like the bomb the police had to defuse about a decade ago... or the firebombing and burning down of his house/office - which was ironic because he had just published a pamphlet praising those that had firebombed a mosque and synagogue earlier about a week before....

[Lady Pi Phi]

Section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says:

freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

Now, this is a fundamental freedom entrenched the the Charter, however it technically only protects you from the government. It does not guarantee you protection from individuals. However, it does not give one the license to commit crimes. Like RACooper said, it is very much like the U.S bill of rights.

If anyone is interested, here it is

Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

This clearly shows why hate speech laws infringe on constitutional freedoms. He may be an idiot racist, but he should have the right to be so and say & print his stupidity.
Canadian censorship must really suck balls.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
so publishing pamphlets is a crime and Canada deports people for it? really- all I see in this is a white-power idiot being censored and deported by a government instead of having his supposed freedom of speech protected.

He is a criminal. He is committing a criminal offence under Canadian Law.

s.318(1) of the Criminal Code says:

Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years

also s.319(1)(a) and (b) of the Criminal Code says:

Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.


So yes, he is committing a crime and he is not a Canadian citizen.

[lifesaver]

I cant believe Canada is doing something that might hurt someones feelings, even if he is a bastard.

Looks like little brother up to the north might have found his balls.

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
This clearly shows why hate speech laws infringe on constitutional freedoms. He may be an idiot racist, but he should have the right to be so and say & print his stupidity.
Canadian censorship must really suck balls.

umm, we have the same restrictions in America, not sure why you're angry at the Canadian government over this?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by RACooper
Pretty much the same as the US 1st Amendment - except that provisions are embedded within the Charter to exclude things like hate speech

When you ban "hate speech," you are regulating thought. Please don't disparage the First Amendment with such a comparison.

In my opinion, "hate crimes," including "hate speech," are perhaps the most insidious assault on liberty that has ever been faced by a free people.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
In my opinion, "hate crimes," including "hate speech," are perhaps the most insidious assault on liberty that has ever been faced by a free people.

I disagree. I don't think it infringes on my liberty as a Canadian citizen.

The Canadian Criminal Code differentiates between people inciting hatred and people expressing thoughts and feelings that some might consider hateful.

The law protects those from the zealots that might take their feelings and act on them. They are not regulating thought.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I disagree. I don't think it infringes on my liberty as a Canadian citizen.

The Canadian Criminal Code differentiates between people inciting hatred and people expressing thoughts and feelings that some might consider hateful.

The law protects those from the zealots that might take their feelings and act on them. They are not regulating thought.

There is a difference between speech that is hateful, and that which is inciteful. Even when trying to regulate inciteful speech, there needs to be a clear and compelling reason to do so, and it must be based on urgency (like yelling "fire" in a movie theater.)

If the law is superfluous to existing laws, its a diminishment of liberty, and even worse, it begins a slow and slippery slope to tyrany.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
There is a difference between speech that is hateful, and that which is inciteful. Even when trying to regulate inciteful speech, there needs to be a clear and compelling reason to do so, and it must be based on urgency (like yelling "fire" in a movie theater.)

If the law is superfluous to existing laws, its a diminishment of liberty, and even worse, it begins a slow and slippery slope to tyrany.

Yes, I agree. However, this law is not superfluous. It sets out clear guidelines for what constitutes criminal behaviour and what does not.

[Rudey]

Canada is it's own country with its own leaders, citizens, and laws. It is free to kick this guy out for breaking the law.

-Rudey