wow.....

[starang21]

http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow

i think this was shown on 60 minute or something...

warning.....very graphic photos

if this is true, where are those guys who were talking about how we americans were always so honest and just?

*waiting for someone to apologize for this behavior*

[Jill1228]

Some heads should roll for this one!
What is this BS that "we don't know how to run a prison"?

Hello, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that forcing prisoners to perform oral sex (or simulate it) is NOT a way to run a friggin prison!

I say nail the bastards who did this (I am a military brat and I refuse to call these bastards "soldiers" because they don't deserve the title!)

[swissmiss04]

I found those pictures absolutely disgusting. The actions of a few bastards (Like Jill, I can't call them soldiers. That would be according them too much respect.) are totally undermining our credibility as a stabilizing and rebuilding force in Iraq. Not to mention it destroys our honor and reputation. I don't care what the hell the Iraqis have been doing. We have legal and humane ways of punishing them for mideeds. There is no excuse for this type of behavior.

[Munchkin03]

Speechless.

Bastard idiots.

[starang21]

i'm not sure how credible this source is...but if it's true....

[Kevin]

I listened to some former JAG who now teaches law at Georgetown on NPR this evening regarding this incident. It seems that these soldiers were given instructions by either military intelligence types or private contractors that were hired to interrogate the prisoners to "Soften the prisoners up for interrogation".

The crazy thing is that currently, the contractors don't fall under any legal jurisdiction except maybe a U.S. Attorney (who probably wouldn't want to deal with something that happened thousands of miles away).

Also, as far as the Geneva Convention, it only applies to prisoners taken during a war -- not to many of these insurgent types. They're just regular prisoners and not really protected by any law besides whatever Iraqi law there is. I'm sure the soldiers will face justice under military law. As for these contractors, I'm expecting them to get away with this one.

There are many problems that contributed to this. One major issue is that there is only one general to administrate about 17 prisons. There are far too few prison guards -- and at least according to one of the people accused of these acts, they received inadequate training.

I'm sure that the pictures really only tell one side of the story. It's going to be interesting and probably alarming to hear the rest (if we ever get to).

[honeychile]

I could throw up!

Courtmartials need to be handed down to each of those involved.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by starang21
i'm not sure how credible this source is...but if it's true....

It's true. The Army has confirmed it to CBS and will probably bring charges against some or all who were involved.

Look, we're not always the guys on the white horse. American units have been involved in atrocities in many wars. The important thing is that when we find out, we take responsibility and punish those responsible. That's the difference between us and a lot of other countries.

[Rudey]

Yeah these guys deserve so many rights. You know while they're busy laying bombs on roads, shooting at civilians from rooftops of schools/mosques/hospitals, and mangling and mutilating american bodies that hang from bridges, they were fully aware of human rights.

-Rudey

I seriously doubt that those last few pics, that they "recieved in an email" are authentic. They look like some kind of cheap porn pictures.

Kitso
KS 361

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
I seriously doubt that those last few pics, that they "recieved in an email" are authentic. They look like some kind of cheap porn pictures.

That's entirely possible, but the Army has investigated and admitted the situation happened and is probably going to bring charges -- so it may be moot.

[SilverTurtle]

A friend and I were talking about this, and he made a very valid point.

I was comparing it to the Mai Lai (I know that's spelled wrong) incident in Vietnam and how these horrible things happen, and they're not justifiable, but who is stupid enough to take pictures of it.

His point was that if they took pictures, particularly those "posed" ones, it would appear it is a condoned behavior by their superiors. It never occurred to them they would be in trouble for it.

Which just points to the military leadership & makes one question it.

Originally posted by DeltAlum
That's entirely possible, but the Army has investigated and admitted the situation happened and is probably going to bring charges -- so it may be moot.

DA,

I'm not talking about the prison pictures. If you follow the link up there, you'll see an entire page of pictures, the last group under a heading saying, "Pictures recieved in an email" They show 3 or 4 guys forcing a woman to perform sexual acts.

I doubt their veracity for a couple reasons. What the men are wearing, the nature of the photos, etc.

Lets not forget that these soldiers are also reservists, not your full time active duty military. While they may have recieved basic instruction, they aren't subject to the full POW training that active duty troops recieve. At least not that i'm aware of.

Kitso
KS 361

[swissmiss04]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361

Lets not forget that these soldiers are also reservists, not your full time active duty military. While they may have recieved basic instruction, they aren't subject to the full POW training that active duty troops recieve. At least not that i'm aware of.

That is true. However, if they haven't been trained in POW procedures they really ought not to have any sort of power/supervision over them. Common sense would dictate that you just don't treat people like that.

[Rudey]

I think these soldiers deserve medals.

-Rudey