Fifth Graders Post Lookout While 4 Students Have Sex in Classroom

CrimsonTide4 · #1 03-14-2003, 04:32 PM

Boy in oral sex incident sues school district

By Tony Scotta, Macomb Daily Staff Writer March 12, 2003

The family of a St. Clair Shores student hopes to return their son to school after his suspension for taking part in an oral sex act while in class.

Mount Clemens attorney Robbie D. Lang has filed a lawsuit against the Lake Shore school district in hopes of getting his client, a 14-year-old eighth-grader at Kennedy Middle School, back in classes. Lang said the boy was "victimized" Feb. 6 when a female student performed oral sex on him during a science class. **

The boy, a special education student, was suspended for the remainder of the school year, he said. CT4 says: BOTH HE and THE GIRL should have been suspended.

The girl involved was not implicated in the lawsuit. Lake Shore officials would not say whether the girl has been allowed to return to class, although some students said she has not returned.

The district had also initially suspended the teacher, a 9-year veteran, but has since cleared him of wrongdoing, arguing that the "wrong in this incident is the actions of the students," according to a letter sent home to parents in late February. The teacher, whose name was also not released, has since returned to teaching and had argued he was unaware of the incident at the time.

As many as 20 students were in class while the act was performed underneath a long laboratory table, St. Clair Shores police Detective Joe Mason said. Mason had stated that criminal charges involving the students would not be likely.

"It's absolutely absurd that this could happen in a classroom. For the school district to say it wasn't negligent is highly ridiculous," Lang said.

Lang particularly finds absurd the district's decision to compare the realization that the incident had occurred with the atrocities of Sept. 11, 2001, in their letter to parents.

"Just like our country was shocked into awareness when, never-before acts of terrorism occurred in New York City, our district was shocked into awareness when middle school students engaged in indecent acts in the classroom," wrote Superintendent John Brackett and Kennedy Principal Paula Quintero in their Feb. 19 correspondence to parents about the incident.

Brackett and other top Lake Shore district officials were unavailable for comment Tuesday, said district spokeswoman May Mulla.

To combat a belief the sexual behavior is part of a greater "societal problem," based in part on adolescent exposure to the media, Internet, music videos, and movies, the district is encouraging parents to attend a March 18 forum at the school entitled "A Night With the Experts." The 7 p.m. program will include a discussion about those influences with a sexual abuse expert as well as media consultant Teresa Tomeo, who advocates higher moral standards for broadcasting.

But Lang said the notion others are to blame is too convenient.

He argues his client was statutorily raped, as minors cannot give consent under the law. In this instance, he believes the female may have performed oral sex on the boy as a dare, and although the boy didn't fight her off, he had no legal duty to do so.

Lang's lawsuit seeks at least $100,000 for damages stemming from district negligence, breach of duty, discrimination, and intentional infliction of emotional distress, among other claims.

The boy also suffered from a broken leg at the time and had his mobility hindered by a cast, he said. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"It certainly wasn't something that was planned," Lang said, arguing if a girl had been victimized, the district would have treated her better than his client.

Stacy Moss, whose daughter, Ashley Zimmerman, attends seventh grade at the school, agrees the boy should be allowed to return and lays a majority of the blame on the teacher.

"I hope he is allowed back," she said. "The teacher should have known what the students were doing at all times."

But district officials maintain the teacher did nothing wrong.

"He was working individually with students, while the remainder of the class worked at their desks," stated Brackett and Quintero in their Feb. 19 letter. "We also found that most of the other students in the class were unaware of the inappropriate behavior."

What do you think???

9dstpm · #2 03-14-2003, 04:38 PM

Both of them should have gotten suspended for 10 days, and the teacher suspended WITHOUT pay (at the least) OR fired (at the most)!!

CrimsonTide4 · #3 03-14-2003, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by 9dstpm
Both of them should have gotten suspended for 10 days, and the teacher suspended WITHOUT pay (at the least) OR fired (at the most)!!

BULL on the teacher!! STuff happens -- TRUST ME!!!

I know how classrooms are arranged, little TRIXIE could have acted like she had to get something off of the floor, and went down there to do her business. TEACHERS do not see everything that goes on in their classroom. That TEACHER did nothing WRONG. He was doing his job, teaching. That little boy if he was really traumatized should have spoken up. SPECIAL ED does not equal total ignorance.

Old girl's mama needs to talk to her daughter.

I know a girl at my former school who performed oral sex on the school bus one day. Should the bus driver be fired? HAYLE NO!!

One of my former coworkers had a special ed student who had an oral sex booth in the bathroom during school where she charged 50 CENTS an act!!!!! Should her teachers be fired? HAYLE NO!!!!!

Parents need to start doing their JOB FIRST!!!

adduncan · #4 03-14-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4

Parents need to start doing their JOB FIRST!!!

You beat me to this comment.

I'll bet my next paycheck the parents who don't pay any mind to teaching their children morals at home will be the first to be outraged and blame the school/staff/etc for not doing the parents' job for them. IMHO, it's too easy to pass the buck when kids aren't learning what they need to learn to be productive individuals. "Special Ed" does *not* means it's OK to slack on teaching good behaviour and right from wrong, especially w/ how to treat other people.

Just 2 cents from a visitor.

Adrienne (PNAM-2003)

Honeykiss1974 · #5 03-14-2003, 05:49 PM

Good article, so here are my thoughts...

- I do not think the teacher should be penalized, because more that likely if the room set-up was that of a traditional science lab, he wouldn't have been able to notice someone under the table, especially if he was busy giving students individual attnetion and help.

-I do not think the girl (who performed oral sex

) or the boy (the recipient) should be suspended. I believe that instead, they should required to attend some type of sex education/counseling with their parents, especially the young lady. Sorry but sitting at home for 10 days accomplished nothing....if anything it opens up a door of opportunity for more

while the 'rents are at work.

-On one hand, I do think the school is trying to handle this situation by offerring the "Night With The Expert" syposium. This should be a wake-up to the school that maybe their science/sex education programs needs to be revamped - maybe include some type of round table discussion groups where kids are able to speak honestly and frankly about sexual behavior.

On the hand, the school's decisions are busted by pushing the blame on the teacher.

While I do not believe this event to be of the same magnitude as Sept. 11th (

), I do think that it can serve as a wake-up call to parents - kids are being exposed to sex and sexual topics at earlier ages.

HBO Family has a documentary call "Middle School Confessions" that is currently being aired that features junior high age kids (12-14 age range). On one episode, the girls were bragging about performing oral sex, saying that it is ok to do because it's not like having sex....WTF

Oh, and these were your everyday, suburban girls.

CrimsonTide4 · #6 03-14-2003, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974

-I do not think the girl (who performed oral sex ) or the boy (the recipient) should be suspended. I believe that instead, they should required to attend some type of sex education/counseling with their parents, especially the young lady. Sorry but sitting at home for 10 days accomplished nothing....if anything it opens up a door of opportunity for more while the 'rents are at work.

-On one hand, I do think the school is trying to handle this situation by offerring the "Night With The Expert" syposium. This should be a wake-up to the school that maybe their science/sex education programs needs to be revamped - maybe include some type of round table discussion groups where kids are able to speak honestly and frankly about sexual behavior.

On the hand, the school's decisions are busted by pushing the blame on the teacher.

While I do not believe this event to be of the same magnitude as Sept. 11th ( ), I do think that it can serve as a wake-up call to parents - kids are being exposed to sex and sexual topics at earlier ages.

HBO Family has a documentary call "Middle School Confessions" that is currently being aired that features junior high age kids (12-14 age range). On one episode, the girls were bragging about performing oral sex, saying that it is ok to do because it's not like having sex....WTF

Oh, and these were your everyday, suburban girls.

Good points. You're right unless there is counseling, the act will be repeated again by the little girl. So suspension is just a temporary fix. We need something long lasting. Sex Ed needs to return to the classes. We had it and the parents were called in and stuff was shared with them as well. You would be surprised at how ignorant some of our parents are about sex.

Too often, blame is placed on the teacher and stuff like this is what makes GOOD TEACHERS leave the classroom. This teacher, AGAIN, is not at fault.

I will have to subscribe to HBO to check that out. There was an ep of Strong Medicine once that had a middle school with an oral sex ring.

Folks, it is happening far more frequently than you think. And it is a lot of what society considers to be the "good kids" who are involved. We need to talk to our kids about sex, ALL OF IT. The more we try to avoid it, the more likely they are to go after it.

What is interesting is there are a lot of people who have the mindset that until they have intercourse, then they are still virgins. There are even folks who think that as long as they are only having anal sex, then they are still virgins.

gamma_girl52 · #7 03-14-2003, 07:15 PM

I agree. I don't think the teacher should be blamed...they can't be everywhere watching EVERY student. I'm not a teacher, but I hope to be soon. I find this very disturbing, and I'm asking myself what I would have done...still don't have an answer yet.

Someone needs to talk to these pre-teens/teens about sex and do something that's long lasting. Both of these kids sitting at home for 10 days does nothing, and who is to say that the girl won't do it again or continue doing it some other time. I wish they had Sex Ed in more schools. As HK1974 already stated, kids are BOMBARDED by sexual images ALL of the time. However, I think the best sex ed starts at home...and that means parents cannot be nervous or shy about answering questions about sex.

I think it's unfortunate, but definitely a wake-up call. Some people are still in denial about these young people having sex (whether it's oral, anal, whatever-it's all SEX) at a young age. It's happening people.

I have HBO Fam...is this new? I will be on the lookout for it. It sounds interesting.

CrimsonTide4 · #8 03-14-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by gamma_girl52
Someone needs to talk to these pre-teens/teens about sex and do something that's long lasting. Both of these kids sitting at home for 10 days does nothing, and who is to say that the girl won't do it again or continue doing it some other time. I wish they had Sex Ed in more schools. As HK1974 already stated, kids are BOMBARDED by sexual images ALL of the time. However, I think the best sex ed starts at home...and that means parents cannot be nervous or shy about answering questions about sex.

My mama talked to me about sex. She still does if I want to ask her about it. That is just the type of relationship that we have. More parents need to recognize that SEX is no longer a WAIT TIL YOU ARE MARRIED CONVO.

Just a note, when I posted in the artice that both students should have been suspended, it was not in the mindset that that is the ONLY punishment. It was more of TO BE FAIR, PUNISH/HELP ALL WHO WERE INVOLVED not just the boy. For all we know, the girl might have OFFERED her services. I used to see it all the time. Girls would walk up to a boy and hand him a letter with a condom in it.

RedefinedDiva · #9 03-14-2003, 08:30 PM

This is some BULL ISHT!!! What is the world coming to?!! How do you hand out BJs during Science class? A lot of kids these days don't think that oral sex is really sex. But wait, it's called oral SEX, you f'ing a**holes!!

I am sorry for my reaction and use of language, but children today make me CRAZY!! I have students that have sex at school or wherever they choose. I even caught one of my students in the hallway with her bra undone and a little boy feeling her up!

I, too, have Sp. Ed. students and they don't suffer a lot of conseqences because people think Sp. Ed. means crazy and retarded. THESE CHILDREN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! The system is messed up and this Sp. Ed. stuff needs to be reevaluated.

As for the little boy's leg being broken, did he have something in his mouth that made him incapable of saying STOP! or alerting the teacher that a girl was "victimizing" him in class?

Honeykiss1974 · #10 03-15-2003, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by gamma_girl52

I have HBO Fam...is this new? I will be on the lookout for it. It sounds interesting.

Here is the scedule:

3/16 2:05 AM
3/21 12:05 AM
3/25 10:30 PM
4/1 2:25 AM

Here is a link with info about Middle School Confessions

9dstpm · #11 03-15-2003, 11:54 AM

Hey ya'll, I'm sorry for my harsh judgment of the situation. At the middle school I work at the special education students are sent to the social worker or the social work intern (me) as opposed to getting sent to the principal's office or getting suspended. The administration feels that suspending special education kids puts them at a disadvantage when IMHO it does nothing but tells them that short of blowing up the building or killing someone, they can do as they please b/c they won't get suspended. When special education students break rules at my school, the most they get is to have their parent come in for a conference. And when the parent does come in, they get upset with me for taking them away from "The Young and the Restless" or from their boyfriends to talk with me about their child's behavior and/or progress in school. It really burns me up!! Special education does not equal stupid; I know that these kids are smarter than what the district labels them and I feel that some of these parents do not encourage their kids to do better for fear that they will lose some money or that (gasp!!) they will have to be more involved with their children.

Everyone is pushing for abstinence when teaching sex ed, but it just ain't happening, people!! I read a journal article about teens and sex for a human behavior class and I was shocked to learn what middle school kids are doing!! Parents need to REALLY teach them about sex, and when I say that, I mean teaching them more than just how not to get pregnant or how not to get someone pregnant!!

I was harsh in my judgement of the situation and I now recommend that the boy and the girl (especially) be sent for intensive individual counseling WITH their parents!! As for the teacher, nothing should be done to him but I know now that he will keep a sharper eye out on his students.

Sistermadly · #12 03-15-2003, 12:08 PM

Was it a human biology class?

But seriously folks - I agree that both of them should have been suspended. She shouldn't have been allowed to get away with that kind of skankery.

Blackwatch · #13 03-17-2003, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by 9dstpm
Everyone is pushing for abstinence when teaching sex ed, but it just ain't happening, people!! I read a journal article about teens and sex for a human behavior class and I was shocked to learn what middle school kids are doing!! Parents need to REALLY teach them about sex, and when I say that, I mean teaching them more than just how not to get pregnant or how not to get someone pregnant!!

(Itallics added for emphasis by me)

I agree that more needs to be taught about sex, but I disagree that abstinence "just ain't happening" . Click here http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?s...rticleID%3D344.

The FRAT is doing mentoring programs at a high school and a jr high school here in the city and on Friday we had a discussion about sex with some 14-15 year old "at risk" boys. We talked about sex, the normal project Alpha talk (STD's , the responsibilities of fatherhood, and the ways to prevent a new generation of "rolling stones"-let's see whose up on their black culture with that reference

) I introduced the idea about the intention of our sexuality and the proper spiritiual context for sex, citing the Genesis accounts of creation of humanity and matrimony. Then I asked then if they thought that the girls they were "messing with" and the sex that they were having

was really showing forth all that God has for them in their sexuality? Were their "experiences," that they were so eager to share, worth all of the consequences they were and could experience? There was utter silence

. One boy stated that we gave them a lot to think about and I replied that's all education is supposed to do, enlighten your lives and inform your decisions.

Many kids are having sex because they do not know that they don't have to. With all of the misinformation about sex that they see everyday, I see a generation of young people yearning for more information on the subject, both biological, intellectual, and spiritual. Abstinence is not even considered by most kids as an option. An empowered sexuality education class will equip kids with all the information that they need about the subject. That same boy that said he had a lot to think about also stated that he didn't know you could get herpes from just laying down with a girl, and that certain forms of it were incurable, but yet he has sex

. Other boys thought that AIDS came from Africa because the people over there are "so dirty" (these are black boys mind you

). Most of the boys didn't think that abstinence was possible, but most of them saw it as the best thing for them (which is a start). Now we have to teach them to love themselves enough to allow for abstinence to be possible in their own lives. An empowered sexuality ed class will not just say sex is bad, don't do it (because the truth is that sex is beautiful) . It will empower kids to arrive at the best possible decision about sex for them, and benefit us all.

Blackwatch!!!!!!

CrimsonTide4 · #14 03-24-2004, 11:35 PM

This was mentioned on a listserve that I am on with sorors and this really concerns me. I know a lot of you are parents and maybe you are not aware that this is going on, but it is. . .

**I tried to edit out as much as possible the offensive terminology.**

The kids call the game P_____ Poppers.

Girls wear these multicolored rubber bracelets on their arms and a boywill come up to them and try to break one... each color bracelet has a different meaning.....the girl will have to perform the act for that color. Students have been suspended from schools for selling them. These are the meanings for the colors (in DC).

*NOTE: THESE ARE THE CHILDREN'S MEANING AND TERMINOLOGY!!!!!
Black: Sexual intercourse (sex)
Blue: Oral sex
Green: Outdoor Sex
Clear: anything you want
Orange: Kiss
Yellow: Hug
Red: Lapdance (3 minute max)
Purple: Usual Sex (doggie style, etc.)
Silver: Fisting (hand in vagina/butt)
White: flashing your breasts
Pink: flash anything
Gold Glitter: make out
Brown: toss my salad
Glow in Dark: sex toys
Spikes: same sex

AGAIN EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION. THE KIDS
IN SCHOOLS ARE PLAYING THIS GAME. WE NEED TO LOOK FOR IT WHEN WE ARE DOING INTERVIEWS, INVESTIGATING CASES, ETC. Davis ES actually had a training on this topic. I performed a search on the internet and found millions of topics, websites, etc. on this topic. WE HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF CHILDREN AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, go to:
http://www.nbc10.com/news/2619696/detail.html and read.

Another soror shared:
There is also another "sex game" being played by middle school children. They're called Rainbow Parties. At these parties, the girls put different shades of lipstick on & perform oral sex on each boy. At the end, the boys' penises have different color lipstick rings that I guess look like a rainbow & hence the name Rainbow Parties. I live in the Baltimore Metro area but I am sure this game is not isolated to this area. These activities take place after the parent leaves but before the child goes to school or during the infamous hours after school but before the parents come home.

James · #15 03-24-2004, 11:47 PM

As a 14 year old boy, in almost any normal school, you would be a freaking idol if you got a blow job in class . . .

Hell 10 years ago getting a blow job at 14 at all was pretty noteworthy.

People are going to have sex. Keep in mind that 14 is old enough to marry by a lot of state laws.

The real issue is to try and teach them that they should have been a little more discreet.

Any issue as to how soon they should be haivng sex is really up to the parents.

Denying them an education over it, which a year long suspension does, is ludicrous.

As far as the teacher . . . He didn't do anything wrong that the article reveals.

The lawsuit . . is well . . . stupid . . although, if the boy had gone down on the girl, I wager she might have gotten a lot more sympathy for a suit.