Interesting question...

AngelPhiSig · #1 08-02-2002, 01:15 AM

Does anyone know if this ever happened....

Say you have a national sorority on a campus... for sake of not getting confused - we'll call it Phi Sigma Sigma (since it is national)

Well Phi Sigma Sigma gets in trouble and loses their charter and calls themself Theta Gamma Zeta now and functions as a loca.

TGZ after a few years decides to go national again and looks at other orgs... and chooses Chi Omega.

Can this happen?

NPC, Local, Different NPC?

Over a course of MANY years of course... like w/o having old Phi Sigs around when they became Chi O...

I was bored and doing too much thinking at work.

SLOTheta · #2 08-02-2002, 01:23 AM

For the Members that pledges as a national NPC, Phi Sigma Sigma, they can NEVER take the pledge of another NPC sorority. The Chapter may evolve into another NPC, but the original Members can NEVER become Chi Omegas. Its the same with pledging, once you pledge one sorority, you can't pledge another.

bolingbaker · #3 08-02-2002, 01:23 AM

There's a gentlemen's agreement among fraternities to not tread on each other's turf, but it does happen from time to time. I've seen colonies drop or be dropped from one national, and end up with another. I may have the specifics fraternities wrong, but it seems to me there was a flap not long ago about an Alpha Kappa Lambda chapter that got booted by their national and ended up as a very good Beta Theta Pi chapter after a brief stint as a local.

TKEmz894 · #4 08-02-2002, 01:54 AM

That same thing happened to a chapter of Sigma Nu, at Tulane, they got their charter pulled, then a year later this bunch of guys became a DKE colony......Now I heard this second hand from the Pikes at Tulane, after a long night of bar hoping so it might not be true, but everyone around their seemed to confirm it.....

PSUSigKap · #5 08-02-2002, 02:21 AM

you're allowed to pledge another sorority after you depledge. you just can't join another sorority after intitaition. this girl went through our informal recruitment spring 01, she got a bid, started pledgeing then dropped out. this past spring 02 she was cob'd somewhere else and is intitated at that sorority.

pollywogg23 · #6 08-02-2002, 02:55 AM

You have to wait one year after De-pledging a national Sorority to pledge another national sorority. However after initiating into a national sorority you can never initiate into another National sorority.
However, we acyually are going through this on our campus right now. About Two years ago 4 Girls were suspended from one of the national sororites, they formed a local sorority, which has become quite strong on campus, they are now petitioning to national sororities, however the local chapter can not go national while it's founding members, who were in this other sorority, are active. They have to wait until the four of them go Alum from the local.

33girl · #7 08-02-2002, 09:51 AM

If by the time Chi Omega comes along all the TGZ members that were PSS sisters have graduated, there wouldn't be a problem. Because none of them have any sort of "legal" bond to PSS.

aephi alum · #8 08-02-2002, 10:34 AM

Something like that happened at my school, with a fraternity. A fraternity went through a reorganization, and only a handful of brothers were invited to remain as actives; the others became alums. The "alum" brothers formed their own local fraternity. A few years later, that local became a colony of a different national.

I don't see why the situation you describe couldn't happen. If all sisters from the PSS days had graduated, no problem. If there were still actives around who'd been initiated into PSS, they could not be initiated into XO as well... either they'd go alum or XO would wait until they'd graduated. If XO offered alum initiation to alums of TGZ, of course, those who had been initated into PSS could not accept.

shadokat · #9 08-02-2002, 01:18 PM

This happened with fraternities at my school two or three times during my time there. Lambda Chi got in trouble, lost their charter and went Alpha Chi Lambda. Then, they got picked up by Acacia, and then lost that charter.

Theta Chi got in trouble numerous times and lost their charter. Then, they went Theta Chi Alpha, and are now in the process of chartering as a chapter of ATO.

In both situations, the brothers who were initiated in the first national fraternity all graduated by the time the second came in and took over. BUT, for homecoming and alumnae weekend, the brothers of LXA and Theta Chi go to the Acacia or ATO house, and they make banners that welcome back their alums and the old alums. It's neat.

madmax · #10 08-02-2002, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by SLOTheta
For the Members that pledges as a national NPC, Phi Sigma Sigma, they can NEVER take the pledge of another NPC sorority. The Chapter may evolve into another NPC, but the original Members can NEVER become Chi Omegas. Its the same with pledging, once you pledge one sorority, you can't pledge another.

What's to stop them from pledging another sorority? Its not like you run a background check on pnms. I know a few people that have transferred schools and pledged other glos.

#11 08-02-2002, 01:45 PM

That also happened at my school. FSU's TKE chapter (that lost it's charter after an "incident"...the guy involved actually ended up on Geraldo, as his story was so bad, it was perfect for "sensationalism TV"!) was local for ages. I can't remember exactly what they were, but eventually the group was brought into Theta Chi. That didn't last long though, as they are back to being local. They also had a "little sister" local group called KTE that was local until around 1992 that went Phi Mu. That also didn't last, as they went local again.

As for sororities, it's like others said, once you are initiated into a PANHELLENIC sorority, you can't join another one, even if you leave your first group. However, you can join a LOCAL at any time whether you leave or not. But it's beside me as to why someone would want to belong to a National AND local at the same time.

Extension, especially with DZ is more complicated that a local group "choosing" a National org. to affiliate with, so it doesn't happen that often. We chose women who exemplify the ideals of our sorority. If a local has half these type of women, and the other half do not meet our criteria, they will NOT automatically go with the other women into a DZ colony.

#12 08-02-2002, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by madmax

What's to stop them from pledging another sorority? Its not like you run a background check on pnms. I know a few people that have transferred schools and pledged other glos.

Then these women have sadly fallen through the cracks. When you are intiated into a sorority, you pledge to be faithful to them basically forever. If you transfer and join another it's clear that these women only want to be a member of a sorority, not a sisterhood.

It's up to most Panhellenic groups at the Universities to clearly go over the transcripts and applications of potential "rushees" on their campus. If DZ found out that a newly initiated sister had lied on her application, and did belong to another org, then she would have her badge pulled.

aprilxo · #13 08-02-2002, 04:04 PM

What I'm reading is just people confusing pledging and initiation. One person refers to one, then another thinks it applies to something else.

*sigh*

With transferring, if I had been pledging, say, Sigma Kappa at one school then depledged because I was going to transfer, I'd be able to pledge a different sorority here. And I think that is what's above, not just falling through the cracks... although I do wonder sometimes since there aren't really any background checks to make sure you're not already in a npc sorority if you've transferred... what I'm wondering is why anyone would actually want to do that? If you went alum at the first one, wouldn't you be paying double the dues? (I guess you could out and out quit, but there's got to be something about a person that would make them feel cruddy--like whatever it was that made them want to be in a sisterhood to begin with)

*shrug* I dunno, I'm not sure I really need to sit and think about it.. I'm moving my stuff out of one room and taking it to where I'll be living in the fall so I guess I'll be off to that instead of pick apart the details

#14 08-02-2002, 04:12 PM

Most Panhells make you wait a year before you can repledge another sorority after depledging one.

33girl · #15 08-02-2002, 04:58 PM

From the panhellenic compact:

1. A woman who is or who has ever been an initiated member of an existing NPC fraternity shall not be eligible for membership in another NPC fraternity.

4. A signed Preference Card or a Continuous Open Bidding Acceptance Card is binding. If the rushee receives a bid under the preference system, she is ineligible to be pledged to any other national fraternity on the same campus for one calendar year. If the rushee does not receive a bid under the preference system, she is eligible for continuous open bidding. If the rushee transfers to another campus during the year, she is eligible for pledging on that campus at the earliest possible opportunity.

6. A student who has had her pledge broken by a fraternity, or who has broken her pledge to a fraternity, may not be asked to join another fraternity on the campus for one calendar year from the date she was originally pledged. However, she may be repledged by the same fraternity chapter at any time within that calendar year.

7. When a pledge transfers to another campus, her pledge is broken, and she is eligible to pledge an NPC fraternity on that campus at the earliest opportunity.

8. Pledges of a chapter whose charter has been rescinded or relinquished shall be eligible to pledge another fraternity immediately following the official release of the pledges by the fraternity. Pledges of a colony which has been dissolved shall be eligible to pledge another fraternity immediately following the official release of the pledges by the fraternity.

I think that about covers it.