The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[nittanyalum]

I just ran across this picture and thought of this thread:

[LeslieAGD]

Did anyone watch ABC World News tonight?

Clinton's people outted Obama for basically plagiarizing a speech by Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick. Obama's defense...? That Hilary has used his campaign slogans, too. Umm, sorry buddy but saying "Let's Get Fired Up" at a rally is not the same as stealing someone else's speech; it doesn't matter whether or not he's a friend of yours.

[Drolefille]

Yeah, except Deval Patrick has also come out and said that he and Obama share words and ideas. This was Obama's first response, but the campaign has continued.

But from ABC:

In a conference call just now the Clinton campaign would not guarantee that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has never used someone else's rhetoric without crediting them.

I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.

In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn't be as big a deal if it were discovered that Clinton had "lifted" such language.

"Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric," Wolfson said.

So if she does it, and she probably has, every politician has, it's ok because she's not known for her speechmaking?

On the lighter side, found this on Youtube: Hillary vs. Obama

[nittanyalum]

What's everyone's deal with Chelsea's looks? I think she blossomed in college and is now an attractive, put-together young lady. If you've seen pictures of young Bill and young Hillary, they weren't the MOST attractive 20-somethings, they actually grew into their looks as they aged and became more attractive as they got older. I think Chelsea's doing ok considering the "looks" gene pool she had no control over. Give her a break on that point. She went to a fantastic school and has a killer job, she'll buy and sell all of us one day and seems like a nice person overall, despite everything she probably has to deal with every single day of her life because of who her parents are (also out of her control).

[MysticCat]

Of course, I like just about anything Christopher Buckley writes (I may not always agree with him, but I love the way he says it), but I though this piece in the NY Times the other day was quite good:

The Manchurian Conservative.

(You have to be registered with the NY Times to read it, I imagine.)

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Of course, I like just about anything Christopher Buckley writes (I may not always agree with him, but I love the way he says it), but I though this piece in the NY Times the other day was quite good:

The Manchurian Conservative.

(You have to be registered with the NY Times to read it, I imagine.)

I LOLed at the line about Thompson. And I love the imagery in the last paragraph. I also hope it's true, I saw parts of that speech and disliked that he was pandering so hard to that faction (I don't agree with a lot of McCain's views, but I know he's not on the extreme right). I would much prefer to know that he may instead have been thinking to himself he'd rather be tossing back shots with Hillary.

[skylark]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

What's everyone's deal with Chelsea's looks? I think she blossomed in college and is now an attractive, put-together young lady. If you've seen pictures of young Bill and young Hillary, they weren't the MOST attractive 20-somethings, they actually grew into their looks as they aged and became more attractive as they got older. I think Chelsea's doing ok considering the "looks" gene pool she had no control over. Give her a break on that point. She went to a fantastic school and has a killer job, she'll buy and sell all of us one day and seems like a nice person overall, despite everything she probably has to deal with every single day of her life because of who her parents are (also out of her control).

I actually used to wonder about her and how she could do such an outstanding job of staying out of bad press (aside from unnecessary criticisms about her looks). I think that as we saw how other politicians' offspring couldn't keep a lid on their shenanigans, it became more apparant that Chelsea was very wise, indeed. I agree with nittanyalum that Chelsea, along with most normal people, had an awkward phase but grew into her looks and now is the full package. I used to wonder if perhaps she was shy and insecure and that was why she didn't speak to the press, but from how I've seen her speak lately on behalf of her mother, I'm really very impressed. She is poised and insightful and I certainly hope she finds that even after her parents have left political life, she might still have a place in politics.

[nittanyalum]

Did anyone just see the bit about the youth vote ("youthquake") on The Daily Show?

The "TDS Street Team '08" killed me.

[DaemonSeid]

pulled from another page...something to consider:

When January 2009 comes around, if Barack Obama is elected to the White House, he will have had four years in the US Senate, (he started serving in 2005) prior to that he's had 7 years in the Illinois State Senate. That's 11 years total, 4 Federal, let's see how other Presidents have stacked up to that:

John Adams-4 years as Vice President, no prior elected office.

Zachary Taylor-0 years elected office, although he was a General in the Army.

Abraham Lincoln-4 years as a US Congressman and unless you count his postmaster general in Illinois stint, NO other experience.

U.S. Grant-0 years elected office, but again spent 2 years as head of the US Army during the last days of the Civil War.

James Garfield-3 years as an Ohio State Senator, 16 years as a US Congressman.

Chester A. Aurthur-7 years as the APPOINTED Tarriff Collector for the port of NYC, LESS THAN ONE YEAR as Vice President of the US.

Grover Cleveland-One Year as mayor of Buffalo and Two years as Governor of New York--3 years elected office, not including his gig as Buffalo's Sheriff.

Woodrow Wilson-Two years as Governor of New Jersey.

Warren Harding-4 years in the Ohio State Senate, 2 years as Ohio's Lt. Governor and 6 years as a US Senator.

Herbert Hoover-Two Years APPOINTED to run food relief for Europe after WW I and eight years APPOINTED as secretary of commerce.

Dwight Eisenhower-0 years elected experience, although he was the supreme allied commander during WW II.

John F Kennedy-4 years as a US Congressman, Seven as a US Senator.

Ronald Reagan-8 years as Governor of California

George W. Bush-6 years as Governor of Texas.

Also, Bush, Wilson, Ike, Kennedy and Lincoln were "war" Presidents, although Kennedy's Vietnam was just beginning and Ike's Korean war was winding down.

[LeslieAGD]

DaemonSeid, it's more than just his lack of experience...it bugs the crap out of me that people are supporting Obama and know nothing about him. (Didn't we go through this with Bush? People voting for Bush because he was more likable than Gore or Kerry?).

There was a news interview within the last two weeks (I can't remember which show featured this clip) with a panel of 10-15 people at a debate who supported Obama. The reporter went down the line and asked all the people to tell him one thing they knew about Obama (his experience, accomplishments, record, suggested policies...anything). The only things the people knew were that he is a Senator from Illinois and that he's a black man running for president. It's just shameful.

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On an unrelated note, here's a funny video that Jack Nicholson put together (with the help of Rob Reiner) supporting Hillary:
"Jack and Hill"

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by LeslieAGD

DaemonSeid, it's more than just his lack of experience...it bugs the crap out of me that people are supporting Obama and know nothing about him. (Didn't we go through this with Bush? People voting for Bush because he was more likable than Gore or Kerry?).

There was a news interview within the last two weeks (I can't remember which show featured this clip) with a panel of 10-15 people at a debate who supported Obama. The reporter went down the line and asked all the people to tell him one thing they knew about Obama (his experience, accomplishments, record, suggested policies...anything). The only things the people knew were that he is a Senator from Illinois and that he's a black man running for president. It's just shameful.

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On an unrelated note, here's a funny video that Jack Nicholson put together (with the help of Rob Reiner) supporting Hillary:
"Jack and Hill"

I agree that's why I am making sure that I encourage any and all who can vote to know who they are voting for because it's embarrassing...and I saw that lame commercial yesterday.

[shinerbock]

I think my folks (conservatives) need to give up the inexperience thing and the muslim-ties thing. There are plenty of other things we can go after Obama on.

[nittanyalum]

Hillary is Jon Stewart's guest on tonight's TDS...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Hillary is Jon Stewart's guest on tonight's TDS...

Hillary who?

ehehehehehe

[DaemonSeid]

Ok...knowing that McCain pretty much has the GOP nomination, what kind of tactic would it be for Republican voters to 'pick' Hillary to help her win the DNC nomination and therefore setting her up to fall against McCain?

Would they be smart playing the numbers game?

Knowing that right now if the national elections were today, that Hillary has a lesser chance against McCain than Obama does, what kind of move would this be on the GOPs part to encourage this?


Limbaugh Urges Republicans to Vote for Hillary


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/r.../28/76379.html