Michael Richards aka "Kramer" racist?

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Oh I'm so sorry, I forgot to scour the thread for the mysterious first post you didn't bother to quote in your little grammar tantrum. My mistake, won't happen again.

No problem.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

No problem.

That was surreal...you posted, then deleted then posted again...I'm going to make like a tree and get out of here, the attitude in this thread is icy cold.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever

Well, as I said, that's just my opinion of how I see this society is nowadays.

I noticed that it was your opinion but it doesn't really fit in with the topic.

Please don't stick your tongue out at me. There's nothing cutesy or playful about this discussion.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by centaur532

That was surreal...you posted, then deleted then posted again...I'm going to make like a tree and get out of here, the attitude in this thread is icy cold.

Good idea.

- Bye the way, if I posted and chose to delete it, wouldn't that just indicate that I changed my mind about saying something? What's the big deal? Have a good one.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

I have a problem with the wole calling for an apology thing. It irks me. I heard on the news this morning that someone was saying he won't be allowed back into the club until he apologizes and the african american community accepts it or deems him worthy or some mess like that. Why are we the only ones who are supposed to be given an apology? I obviously understand why a person would look to see how black people feel about it because we are the ones who are called niggers but you mean to tell me that no one else cares? Is it really like the rest of the country hears something like this and says "oh that's their problem"? That's a shame if that is the case, although I wouldn't be surprised. I just do not care for the concept that someone should force someone else who says or does something like that to apologize. What is that supposed to do? So many people call us that word all the time so it really means nothing to me if when someone who is popular or famous (even if you are a has-been) says it and is heard by many people saying it apologizes AFTER the fact. He said it, he meant it and its done. So what? The word isn't going anywhere, whites will always call us that, they always have, so just accept that you feel that way about us...period. This fake apologizing for this crap once you've said it and exposed your true feelings is making me sick! The more groups like the naacp and the so-called "leaders" of the black community call for apologies, the more rediculous it sounds and comes across because people continue to come out of their a$$es and use the word. Their apologizing for it doesn't change a thing. I think the anger and energy exerted at times like this should just be used for something more constructive.

AND, I don't care what you say, the man IS racist. You people who are saying this bull about you can say it and not be racist and you don't know what's in his heart and all that mess are walking around with blindfolds on. You don't have to be smacked in the head BY a person while calling you a nigger before you realize the person is a racist person. You also cannot shave parts of the definition of racism off so that what you do or say doesn't fall within it. Everytime something happens that is clearly racism in practice, someone finds a way to argue against it being actually racism. The average person knows racism when they see it and THAT was racism. He may not think he is, he may have never in his life said nigger before, but he may have just been given the wake up call of his life when he lost it and went on the way that he did. It also isn't that big of a deal to call it what it is. It isn't like racism in this country is a new concept. Why wouldn't he be racist? There are plenty of folks here in America who are. I am so tired of people playing this game like people just aren't racist in America and if they are they are so few and far between that the level of racism is negligible. How much is going to have to happen before people listen to what we have been saying forever!? This country hasn't changed as much as whites would like to think it has. Its the PEOPLE who harbor these feelings and always have, its not the government as an entity anymore. The people themselves have not come to terms with these feelings and until that happens things like this will continue to occur.

My main point is this: the man said it and it is clear as day what he meant. There is no reading between the lines to get an indication of a less sinister meaning. He said "throw him out, he's a nigger! he's a nigger". He said "50 year ago we, WE(!) would have had you upside down with a fork up your ass." That's some sick stuff and if you brush it off, then you are just as bad as he is.

Pretty much..

[Senusret I]

Brand new for the 07 -- Kramer's racist tirade, NOW with Seinfeld theme!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNmQq9v-4XU

[cutie_cat_4ever]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I noticed that it was your opinion but it doesn't really fit in with the topic.

Please don't stick your tongue out at me. There's nothing cutesy or playful about this discussion.

Well, I was responding to others who were talking about the use of the n-word and how I feel that part of the reason why some people nowadays are "loosely" using the term because of the media. Rap songs, for example, has been using this word and teenagers are listening to it. Richards, is also an entertainer. I guess once you are in the industry, you tend to forget what's wrong or what's right.

But afterall, I was responding to those who were also going off topic. So you are also refer to other posters who are off topic as well.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever

Well, I was responding to others

Cool.

[lovelyivy84]

This thread makes me laugh-

I said it over on the Ave, so I might as well say it here- his apology was NOT for black people. We are not a significant part of his fanbase. It was all about making the white and jewish people who are in his fanbase feel ok about what happened, and giving them a means to excuse his statements.

The media brouhaha about the whole thing is ridiculous. That's how the man feels, all the apologies on all the late night talk shows in the world won't change it. People who still want to like him will (just look through this thread), all the black folks who didn't care in the first place still won't. Maybe with an extra eyeroll for flavor.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

I have a problem with the wole calling for an apology thing. It irks me. I heard on the news this morning that someone was saying he won't be allowed back into the club until he apologizes and the african american community accepts it or deems him worthy or some mess like that. Why are we the only ones who are supposed to be given an apology? I obviously understand why a person would look to see how black people feel about it because we are the ones who are called niggers but you mean to tell me that no one else cares? Is it really like the rest of the country hears something like this and says "oh that's their problem"? That's a shame if that is the case, although I wouldn't be surprised. I just do not care for the concept that someone should force someone else who says or does something like that to apologize. What is that supposed to do? So many people call us that word all the time so it really means nothing to me if when someone who is popular or famous (even if you are a has-been) says it and is heard by many people saying it apologizes AFTER the fact. He said it, he meant it and its done. So what? The word isn't going anywhere, whites will always call us that, they always have, so just accept that you feel that way about us...period. This fake apologizing for this crap once you've said it and exposed your true feelings is making me sick! The more groups like the naacp and the so-called "leaders" of the black community call for apologies, the more rediculous it sounds and comes across because people continue to come out of their a$$es and use the word. Their apologizing for it doesn't change a thing. I think the anger and energy exerted at times like this should just be used for something more constructive.

AND, I don't care what you say, the man IS racist. You people who are saying this bull about you can say it and not be racist and you don't know what's in his heart and all that mess are walking around with blindfolds on. You don't have to be smacked in the head BY a person while calling you a nigger before you realize the person is a racist person. You also cannot shave parts of the definition of racism off so that what you do or say doesn't fall within it. Everytime something happens that is clearly racism in practice, someone finds a way to argue against it being actually racism. The average person knows racism when they see it and THAT was racism. He may not think he is, he may have never in his life said nigger before, but he may have just been given the wake up call of his life when he lost it and went on the way that he did. It also isn't that big of a deal to call it what it is. It isn't like racism in this country is a new concept. Why wouldn't he be racist? There are plenty of folks here in America who are. I am so tired of people playing this game like people just aren't racist in America and if they are they are so few and far between that the level of racism is negligible. How much is going to have to happen before people listen to what we have been saying forever!? This country hasn't changed as much as whites would like to think it has. Its the PEOPLE who harbor these feelings and always have, its not the government as an entity anymore. The people themselves have not come to terms with these feelings and until that happens things like this will continue to occur.

My main point is this: the man said it and it is clear as day what he meant. There is no reading between the lines to get an indication of a less sinister meaning. He said "throw him out, he's a nigger! he's a nigger". He said "50 year ago we, WE(!) would have had you upside down with a fork up your ass." That's some sick stuff and if you brush it off, then you are just as bad as he is.

I just thought I would point out:

1.) "whole" is spelled w-h-o-l-e, not wole
2.) "exposed" should be "exposing" here.
3.) "naacp" should be capitalized here.
4.) "ridiculous" is spelled r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s, not rediculous.
5.) This should be set in quotation marks, as you are refering to the thoughts of other people.

I know grammar is a big thing for you, just thought I would help out. Give me a call if you need to talk about anything. I'm here for support, always.

[cutie_cat_4ever]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Cool.

Cool. And sorry, I'll take back the icon. I didn't mean it in that way.

[FHwku]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Brand new for the 07 -- Kramer's racist tirade, NOW with Seinfeld theme!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNmQq9v-4XU

that theme song makes watching the mental breakdown of an unstable comedian even funnier.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

1.) "whole" is spelled w-h-o-l-e, not wole
2.) "exposed" should be "exposing" here.3.) "naacp" should be capitalized here.
4.) "ridiculous" is spelled r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s, not rediculous.
5.) This should be set in quotation marks, as you are refering to the thoughts of other people.

I know grammar is a big thing for you, just thought I would help out. Give me a call if you need to talk about anything. I'm here for support, always.

Actually, since you all are ridiculous:

1) "exposed" is correct
2) "refering" is actually "referring"
3) Some of your corrections were really a spelling thing rather than a grammar thing.

Now you all stop being silly.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by FHwku

that theme song makes watching the mental breakdown of an unstable comedian even funnier.

I agree. It's Monty Python-esque in its absurdity.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever

Cool. And sorry, I'll take back the icon. I didn't mean it in that way.

I know you didn't. We're cool.