Conduct Becoming of A Sorority Girl

[CZAXOTerp]

oops...

[NutBrnHair]

I agree, Terp -- and it doesn't matter in which part of the country you reside -- good manners and class are universal.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

And it is NEVER in the same category as "nigger".

I never said it was in the same category! Clearly you missed this part of my post:

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

However, I never said it was equal to using those words.

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

And I do think it helps to write it out...when you read that you remember why you would NEVER call someone that...it's sick.

Thank you, but I don't need to remind myself of why I don't use the word. (especially not by using the word)

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I'm sorry -- in my scenario the woman has enough class not to over-imbibe. I was just commenting on drinking while dancing.

Nice.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You manage to type "n****r" without thinking of the word that you mean? Bullshit.

I meant "thinking" as in thinking of someone in those terms. For example, looking at an African American and thinking "n****"!

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My standards don't include comparing racial slurs to slang terms.

I said they were both condescending and derogatory. I also said that they were not equal to eachother. Did you not get that?

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You don't seem to get that when independants call themselves GDIs, Greeks around them are likely to call them that and not mean anything derogatory by it.

At my campus, the campus where I was on KD House Corp and the campuses I've visited as a KD alumna it was not that way. GDI was derogatory, it was used by the Greeks, and it was not used by the independents themselves.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I understand what you've said, I just think you're an elitest who "knows best" for everyone else and thinks she has more class then everyone else. I disagree with what you've said, but I still understood it.

I already admitted to being an elitist. I don't think I have more class than everyone else though.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You react with disbelief, attempted insults to me and my standards, and implications about my sorority, and gross exaggerations.

Show me one place where I made any negative implications about your sorority! I would NEVER insult Sigma Kappa!

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I'm sorry -- in my scenario the woman has enough class not to over-imbibe. I was just commenting on drinking while dancing.

I don't equate common sense with class...especially not with the education on it I've gotten in college. I'm not a fan of the "well they're too classy for that" attitude. The "classy" people I have met...in high school too...were in general very pompous, uptight, and snobby. So I don't give a damn about classy...I'm more interested in people using common sense...AND having fun while doing it. One of the best women I have ever met drank beer out of a mason jar at parties back in her day, and sometimes too much. But she grew up and she's one of the most amazing people I know..."classy" people turn their noses up at her...THEIR loss!

PS-You severely over estimate the average college student.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I never said it was in the same category! Clearly you missed this part of my post:



Thank you, but I don't need to remind myself of why I don't use the word. (especially not by using the word)

Then don't compare it. There is no comparison. Like I said, people who have been called that probably do not appreciate your comparison.


Before you make blanket statements and ASSume you are right about everything please take into consideration that it's possible that you're not. As I said, here, GDI wouldn't be considered offensive at all...it's said with pride. And it's fine by me...being proud of being NOT Greek doesn't offend me at all.

Elitist..."classy"...gag me, please. You can't argue with those that are "always right".

[NutBrnHair]

Check with me in 25 years -- or, you actually might not get it even then.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Check with me in 25 years -- or, you actually might not get it even then.

I don't have to...this type is the kind that shunned that woman. Fortunately, my parents brought me up better than that and I got to know her...I'll be forever grateful.

Those "classy" folks? They'll never know what they're missing because they'll never take a chance when it might look bad. I have noooooo time whatsoever for those that trumpet their class.

[susan314]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

At my campus, the campus where I was on KD House Corp and the campuses I've visited as a KD alumna it was not that way. GDI was derogatory, it was used by the Greeks, and it was not used by the independents themselves.

I would then venture a guess that you never visited Michigan State. (BTW - the KD house there is gorgeous!) Or Bowling Green State University either. I attended one and am an advisor at the other, and the terms are both freely embraced by the non-Greek populations.

(Though I'm a little uncertain how as a chapter visitor, you might interact sufficiently enough with large groups of non-Green students to determine that they don't use/embrace the term GDI. Most of the chapter visitors I have encountered primarily have contact with other Greeks. Of course, it may depend upon the context of your visit to that campus.)

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Then don't compare it. There is no comparison. Like I said, people who have been called that probably do not appreciate your comparison.

I said they are derogatory and condescending. And I said that THEY ARE NOT EQUAL!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Before you make blanket statements and ASSume you are right about everything please take into consideration that it's possible that you're not. As I said, here, GDI wouldn't be considered offensive at all...it's said with pride. And it's fine by me...being proud of being NOT Greek doesn't offend me at all.

I told Drolefille that if she says GDI is not derogatory at her school then I would have to believe her. So I was not making a blanket statement. It works both ways though. Don't think that just because GDI is okay at your school that it's okay everywhere else, because it's not.

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Elitist..."classy"...gag me, please. You can't argue with those that are "always right".

I said I didn't think I was classier than everyone else.

[blackngoldengrl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Perhaps the newer editions will simply suggest that a woman finish her drink before going to the dance floor.

Yes, please do! It's annoying getting drinks spilled on a new dress or cute outfit, even when it's by a sister. Not to mention slipping on spilled drinks or falling on broken glass. Also, NO smoking on the dance floor please! I've been burned twice...not cool.

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

As for a member that is pregnant, I think that asking her to take alum (not inactive) status is reasonable. I don't see how she could possibly raise a child (especially as a single parent) AND fulfill all sorority obligations...

I have to disagree with this. If a sister gets pregnant, she should be given a choice -- have the option to stay a collegian or opt for alumna status. 99.99999% of the time she'll choose alumna status, but simply ASKING her to go alum is unfair, IMO.

I wasn't at this Convention, but a sister once told me about the business meeting that included a very heated discussion about pregnant members. Naturally the traditionalists favored automatically changing her status to alum and the liberals favored giving her a choice. It was a very sensitive topic and lots of sisters were hurt regardless of the outcome.

Originally Posted by blackngoldengrl

Yes, please do! It's annoying getting drinks spilled on a new dress or cute outfit, even when it's by a sister. Not to mention slipping on spilled drinks or falling on broken glass. Also, NO smoking on the dance floor please! I've been burned twice...not cool.

Which is why I totally love the whole "NO DRINKS ON THE DANCE FLOOR!" rule many bars/clubs have out here.

Okay...back to your GDI discussion, sorry!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I meant "thinking" as in thinking of someone in those terms. For example, looking at an African American and thinking "n****"!

I said they were both condescending and derogatory. I also said that they were not equal to eachother. Did you not get that?


At my campus, the campus where I was on KD House Corp and the campuses I've visited as a KD alumna it was not that way. GDI was derogatory, it was used by the Greeks, and it was not used by the independents themselves.

I already admitted to being an elitist. I don't think I have more class than everyone else though.


Show me one place where I made any negative implications about your sorority! I would NEVER insult Sigma Kappa!

A) That's not what you said. You said you'd never use it. I take people at their word.
B) They don't belong in the same sentence. That's like saying "I'll fight against those who say GDI just like I'll fight against Hitler" By saying this, you equate the two. Don't put them together and no one will call you out for it.
C) I'm not arguing that point. I acknowledge some places it's used negatively. You jumped into the conversation trying to make some sort of point about how it's always bad to say. What was my response? "It's always ok" or "It depends on campus culture." Thankfully you're finally coming around to my way of seeing things.

D) You imply that using GDI in any way is lower class than you by your statements. Just because you don't say it doesn't mean you don't exude it from every word you type.

E) Oh, but implications about my standards are completely ok. So you know, I would never use KD in an example of something I found offensive. I never brought your sorority into the discussion, but you had to bring mine up.
Also, you've made comments about the behavior of people on here reflecting on their GLOs. If you think MY standards are low, then you're implying, by your previous statement, that this reflects badly on SK and carries with it all sorts of other negatives.

As I said, you seem to finally be understanding that it has to do with campus culture, and perhaps you won't jump on the next poster to use it in a non-negative light or who suggests that it may not be the same everywhere.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

A) That's not what you said. You said you'd never use it. I take people at their word.

WRONG! This is exactly what I said:

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

It's a word that I simply will NEVER say, write, type or think. Simple as that.

And then when you misunderstood what I meant by "think", I explained further.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

B) They don't belong in the same sentence. That's like saying "I'll fight against those who say GDI just like I'll fight against Hitler" By saying this, you equate the two. Don't put them together and no one will call you out for it.

Okay, fine.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

C) I'm not arguing that point. I acknowledge some places it's used negatively. You jumped into the conversation trying to make some sort of point about how it's always bad to say. What was my response? "It's always ok" or "It depends on campus culture." Thankfully you're finally coming around to my way of seeing things.

Considering what the acronym actually stands for (and that in my experience independents were offended by it) I still think it's not a good thing to say no matter where you are. However, yes, I admit that I am now seeing things more your way. I suppose it does depend on campus culture.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

D) You imply that using GDI in any way is lower class than you by your statements. Just because you don't say it doesn't mean you don't exude it from every word you type.

E) Oh, but implications about my standards are completely ok. So you know, I would never use KD in an example of something I found offensive. I never brought your sorority into the discussion, but you had to bring mine up.

I brought yours up in an example of something horrible that I would never say!
That's not insulting your sorority, it's defending it.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also, you've made comments about the behavior of people on here reflecting on their GLOs.

Please show me exactly where I have done this. I can't believe that I would have ever done that.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you think MY standards are low, then you're implying, by your previous statement, that this reflects badly on SK and carries with it all sorts of other negatives.

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying that if I insult you, then I'm insulting Sigma Kappa? If I'm wrong about that I'm sure you'll correct me but if that's what you're saying then you've done a whole lot of KD-bashing today. I don't think of it in those terms though. I'll take your criticisms as directed at me only and not KD.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

As I said, you seem to finally be understanding that it has to do with campus culture, and perhaps you won't jump on the next poster to use it in a non-negative light or who suggests that it may not be the same everywhere.

Yes, I am beginning to understand that and I will promise not to do it again.


Please let me also apologize for making that rude comment to you about having lower standards. It was heat-of-the-moment anger talking. I'll admit that I'm usually taken aback when people openly use the N word, even when using it as an example of something bad to say. I actually don't believe you have low standards though and I'm sorry I said what I did.