Hobby Lobby - Page 8

DubaiSis · #1 06-30-2014, 01:54 PM

I started voting with my wallet some time ago.
Personally I am getting really sick of the control of Christianity in our lives but there's no point in screaming about it. The religious right has won and they will continue to control more and more of our lives.

33girl · #2 06-30-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I started voting with my wallet some time ago.
Personally I am getting really sick of the control of fanatical "Christianity" in our lives but there's no point in screaming about it. The religious right has won and they will continue to control more and more of our lives.

FYP.

Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush. Most of them find HL's practices as repugnant as you do. As with most things, the vocal minority overrides the voice of the silent majority.

DrPhil · #3 06-30-2014, 03:55 PM

On NPR today: http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/06/3...rol-union-dues

I think Fresh Air with Terry Gross also discussed it but I cannot find the show link.

I never heard of Hobby Lobby before this birth control stuff began. So blah to them.

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Originally Posted by 33girl

FYP.

Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush. Most of them find HL's practices as repugnant as you do. As with most things, the vocal minority overrides the voice of the silent majority.

DuBaiSis' original post was correct. This isn't about "fanatical Christianity" because one person's fanatical is another person's normal. This is about the prevalence of the institution of religion and religion being incorrectly considered an umbrella. That applies to Christianity in some nations, Islam in some nations, Hindu in some nations, etc.

As for the USA, Christianity shouldn't have control over everyone's life. I'm saying that as a Christian who wants Christians to leave me the hell alone unless I am specifically seeking Christian fellowship.

Kevin · #4 06-30-2014, 02:15 PM

If you want to see how these people think, check out the documentary "Jesus Camp."

ASTalumna06 · #5 06-30-2014, 03:23 PM

Has anyone made it over to Hobby Lobby's Facebook page today? A whole lot of people are commenting on the case and letting HL know exactly how they feel about it...

SydneyK · #6 06-30-2014, 06:16 PM

This is an interesting read:
The 8 Best Lines From Ginsburg's Dissent

AGDee · #7 06-30-2014, 07:42 PM

See, and people totally misunderstand Plan B too. 99% of the time, it works by preventing ovulation. RARELY it works by preventing implantation. And ditto with the IUD with hormones. If they understood Biology... ARGGGGGG.

MaryPoppins · #8 06-30-2014, 08:49 PM

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See, and people totally misunderstand Plan B too. 99% of the time, it works by preventing ovulation. RARELY it works by preventing implantation. And ditto with the IUD with hormones. If they understood Biology... ARGGGGGG.

How can they come to understand something they refuse to believe? I'm so glad I'm a Renaissance women, I get to believe not only in religion but science as well.

ASTalumna06 · #9 07-01-2014, 12:45 AM

What You Need to Know About the Hobby Lobby Billionaires:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-billionaires/

First of all, I don't NEED to know anything about them.

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“Our family is overjoyed by the Supreme Court’s decision. Today the nation’s highest court has re-affirmed the vital importance of religious liberty as one of our country’s founding principles,” said Barbara Green, co-founder of Hobby Lobby. “The court’s decision is a victory, not just for our family business, but for all who seek to live out their faith. We are grateful to God and to those who have supported us on this difficult journey.”

Yes, you're helping people live out their faith… as long as they believe the same things as you. Ugh.

And the irony in her statement about "religious liberty" is so obvious and laughable.

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Green’s ambitions are not small in scale. In an interview with Forbes’ Brian Solomon, Green said, “I want to know that I have affected people for eternity. I believe I am. I believe once someone knows Christ as their personal savior, I’ve affected eternity. I matter 10 billion years from now.”

This guy sounds like a rich, fanatical, egotistical d-bag.

DrPhil · #10 07-01-2014, 08:00 AM

I hate when people hide behind religion. They partly do that because they think it makes them unable to be questioned and challenged. If someone claims to be driven by--and fulfilling the will of--a higher power, who would question a higher power?

Green should've just said "I wanted to impact society and impact history. This decision is big and instrumental for generations to come."

DubaiSis · #11 07-01-2014, 01:36 PM

I was thinking about this a bit today. If the federal government wants universal reproductive health and certain companies don't want to pay for it, couldn't the fed just cover the cost of it for everyone?

The way I'm seeing it, it would solve the problem for this relatively small group of women and get us a step closer to single payer. And that would have the added bonus of driving these rich cheapskates (because really isn't that the true issue?) over the edge and seriously regret their shortsighted argument.

I do know the likelihood of this happening but I'd love to hear the eruption if it was even brought up.

33girl · #12 07-01-2014, 01:49 PM

The problem is a BC that works for you may not be covered. That's already a problem, actually. Anyone who says the generic are as good as the brand (at least in this area) is full of shit.

DubaiSis · #13 07-01-2014, 01:56 PM

But as a woman you can't possibly know what is best for you, your health and your reproductive rights. So if some guy tells you the cheap pill is as good as a diaphram, you just need to calm your pretty little head and do what he says.

33girl · #14 07-01-2014, 02:37 PM

It's not a man/woman situation. There are plenty of women in the insurance industry pushing these rock bottom plans to businesses that are looking to cut anywhere they can. And there are plenty of women in charge of the benefits/HR departments okaying them and not thinking about it for a minute because it doesn't apply to them.

And don't get me started on the OB/GYNs (both male and female) who push BC pills or methods that might suck for a patient, but who are getting a sweet deal from the pharmaceutical rep.

#sogladtobeout

AOII Angel · #15 07-01-2014, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

It's not a man/woman situation. There are plenty of women in the insurance industry pushing these rock bottom plans to businesses that are looking to cut anywhere they can. And there are plenty of women in charge of the benefits/HR departments okaying them and not thinking about it for a minute because it doesn't apply to them.

And don't get me started on the OB/GYNs (both male and female) who push BC pills or methods that might suck for a patient, but who are getting a sweet deal from the pharmaceutical rep.

#sogladtobeout

What sweet deal do you think OB/GYNs get from Pharmacy reps for prescribing birth control pills? There is no sweet heart deal. They get coffees from Starbucks for their staff on occasion, but reps no longer get to dole out huge perks anymore. Even when pharmaceutical reps could do more, OB/GYNs didn't get money. They may have gotten an occasional free dinner or a trip to a conference if you were extremely lucky, but those days have been gone for 20 years. OB/Gyns are professionals who prescribe medications that they think are medically appropriate for their patients. If someone buying you a Starbucks is enough to get you to prescribe BCPs for all your patients, it must be the best drug on earth or the best coffee ever.