Race & Sororities

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

This thread went off on a racial tangent some time ago, but once information starts being posted that shows examples of racial incidents, you are suddenly "done."

I can't believe I'm wading into this mess, but . . .

How can a thread entitled "Race & Sororities" go off on a racial tangent?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I can't believe I'm wading into this mess, but . . .

How can a thread entitled "Race & Sororities" go off on a racial tangent?

Ask SWTXBELLE. She said the thread is moving off into a racially charged tangent.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Ask SWTXBELLE. She said the thread is moving off into a racially charged tangent.

No, she suggested what she thought you might want to do if you "want to go off on some racially charged tangent." A racially charged tangent is different from a racial tangent, it seems to me.

But whatever . . . back to the dumbness that is this thread.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, she suggested what she thought you might want to do if you "want to go off on some racially charged tangent." A racially charged tangent is different from a racial tangent, it seems to me.

But whatever . . . back to the dumbness that is this thread.

Well as you pointed out, the title of the thread would indicate that the thread would be about race.

I think the thread was already racially charged because of the original question.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by UMryanne13

Hi
I'm a bi-racial (black/white) female attending Ole Miss in the fall. I want to rush, but I don't want to limit myself to historically black sororities. Is race a deciding factor in most sororities? Are any of you members of sororities with members of a race other than the majority?

Any advice or information will be greatly appreciated.

I'll try and make it simple for you, deepimpact2. The OP asked if race was a deciding factor - YOU chose to take off on a tangent about racially insensitive acts by GLOs when you couldn't come up with anything to support your assertion other than one old accusation. That, MC, is the tangent. Of course race will be discussed in this thread, but it is supposed to be about race and membership selection. When DP3 was called out on her use of heresay and her own opinion, she started throwing anything that could be construed as racist at the thread.

DP3 couldn't provide anything relevent other than that one 9 year old lawsuit - and didn't even provide evidence that the group in question was found guilty. I'm "done" because you won't stick to the topic in the thread or deal with any issues brought up by other posters. St. Augustine tells us that we need not try to convince those who are willfully stubborn - so I am quite content with the information I have provided ON TOPIC and in support of any pnm who wishes to do her research and chose between any and all of the sororities at her campus.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, she suggested what she thought you might want to do if you "want to go off on some racially charged tangent." A racially charged tangent is different from a racial tangent, it seems to me.

But whatever . . . back to the dumbness that is this thread.

Thank you, MC, for actually reading what I wrote. Sometimes I feel like I am banging my head against an internet wall.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

What is even more amazing is that people are refusing to even consider the POSSIBILITY that it has happened. Are you THAT naive?

Read the rest of what I said above. I said that while it was possible, and very well may have happened, in my research upon deciding whether to go NPC or NPHC, I tried very hard to find any examples of these experiences, but yet I could not. It's always "I heard," or "someone told me," which makes me think that it's much less common than some people like to think. Clearly, if I came into my Greek experience knowing that this *might* happen, I'm not naive. You, however, are a hysterical idiot.

But, really? The UGA AGD lawsuit? The plaintiff was determined to be less than credible pretty early on; furthermore, she was trying to get out of her chapter. What are you going to come up with next, Melody Twilley?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'll try and make it simple for you, deepimpact2. The OP asked if race was a deciding factor - YOU chose to take off on a tangent about racially insensitive acts by GLOs when you couldn't come up with anything to support your assertion other than one old accusation. That, MC, is the tangent. Of course race will be discussed in this thread, but it is supposed to be about race and membership selection. When DP3 was called out on her use of heresay and her own opinion, she started throwing anything that could be construed as racist at the thread.

DP3 couldn't provide anything relevent other than that one 9 year old lawsuit - and didn't even provide evidence that the group in question was found guilty. I'm "done" because you won't stick to the topic in the thread or deal with any issues brought up by other posters. St. Augustine tells us that we need not try to convince those who are willfully stubborn - so I am quite content with the information I have provided ON TOPIC and in support of any pnm who wishes to do her research and chose between any and all of the sororities at her campus.

I provided information for more than one incident. If you originally felt that my accusations were baseless, then you should have been happy that I actually started pulling information as evidence of what I was talking about. Your response suggests otherwise and raises questions in my mind. My information IS on topic. It shows that in some cases race is still a problem and the OP may find herself being faced with race issues.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

But, really? The UGA AGD lawsuit? The plaintiff was determined to be less than credible pretty early on; furthermore, she was trying to get out of her chapter. What are you going to come up with next, Melody Twilley?

Right.

Love the pulling up of "stats" without even knowing anything about the cases themselves.

And you KNOW that Miss Twilley is bound to come up, lol.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Read the rest of what I said above. I said that while it was possible, and very well may have happened, in my research upon deciding whether to go NPC or NPHC, I tried very hard to find any examples of these experiences, but yet I could not. It's always "I heard," or "someone told me," which makes me think that it's much less common than some people like to think. Clearly, if I came into my Greek experience knowing that this *might* happen, I'm not naive. You, however, are a hysterical idiot.

But, really? The UGA AGD lawsuit? The plaintiff was determined to be less than credible pretty early on; furthermore, she was trying to get out of her chapter. What are you going to come up with next, Melody Twilley?

When I saw "I heard," I am typically talking about things I have heard in the news. I'm not usually referring to just random gossip.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I provided information for more than one incident. If you originally felt that my accusations were baseless, then you should have been happy that I actually started pulling information as evidence of what I was talking about. Your response suggests otherwise and raises questions in my mind. My information IS on topic. It shows that in some cases race is still a problem and the OP may find herself being faced with race issues.

Race in MEMBERSHIP SELECTION is the topic - only ONE of your articles deals with race and membership selection, and it is hardly convincing evidence of a system-wide problem.

No one has said race isn't a "problem" on college campuses or elsewhere. The issue is NPC membership selection, and I guess NPHC membership selection, too.

Maybe I can simplify it further:

Race in membership selection - on topic.
Racially insensitive actions by GLOs - not on topic.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Race in MEMBERSHIP SELECTION is the topic - only ONE of your articles deals with race and membership selection, and it is hardly convincing evidence of a system-wide problem.

No one has said race isn't a "problem" on college campuses or elsewhere. The issue is NPC membership selection, and I guess NPHC membership selection, too.

Maybe I can simplify it further:

Race in membership selection - on topic.
Racially insensitive actions by GLOs - not on topic.

Those incidents also show how a tone can be set on a campus that would discourage black women from even trying to be a part of those groups. Furthermore, if members of these groups participate in racist activities, do ou really think they would then vote in someone black? Those activities demonstrate a certain mindset...one that isn't very accepting of blacks.


http://chronicle.com/news/article/1708/sorority-evictions-at-depauw-u-raise-questions-about-bias-and-looks

http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2008/03/28/News/Controversy.Surrounds.November.Sorority.Party-3289876.shtml

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

When I saw "I heard," I am typically talking about things I have heard in the news. I'm not usually referring to just random gossip.

Oh, so they were in the news now? Find them.

Not only are we in the Age of Google, we're also subject to the MySpace generation where people will tell anything and everything about their live. So, go for it. Find these news clips!

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

http://chronicle.com/news/article/1708/sorority-evictions-at-depauw-u-raise-questions-about-bias-and-looks

What in the world does Depauw have to do with race?

Now you're reaching.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

So, in summary:

deepimpact2: NPC sororites are racist against black women and hide behind their membership selection processes, and make life miserable for the black women that do join.

Rest of GC: No.

deepimpact2: YES THEY DO. It's MY OPINION..

Wrong.