UCF Sig Ep suspended

[Faith4Keep]

Originally Posted by TSteven

If I may, what is the UCF Golden Rule? And what is the Golden Rule committee that oversees it?

The Golden Rule is the set of rules that students are expected to follow. It covers everything from drinking, to cheating, to discrimination, to hygeine. I mean, everything. Each student, by being an enrolled student at the University, agrees to abide by the Golden Rule. ANY student or student organization can suffer the consequences if they do not follow the Golden Rule. See here : http://www.goldenrule.sdes.ucf.edu/

The Golden Rule review committee is a group of 7 students who make and review proposals for changes to the Golden Rule. Then they recommend any changes they deem necessary. They meet on a standard schedule and meetings are open to anyone: http://www.osc.sdes.ucf.edu/osc_Gold...wCommittee.asp

Most of these types of committees have lots of Greeks on them

[adpiucf]

EVERY UCF organization is overrun by the Greeks. It's a conspiracy.

[Faith4Keep]

Haha I wouldn't say that. There are many organizations that are heavily overseen by UCF staff that try to prevent greeks from being leaders in those organizations (Honors Congress, LEAD Scholars, professional organizations, etc). But, in groups where they are selected (not elected) such as standing committees, (GRRC, Student Conduct Board, etc) those are mostly greeks. Which is why I was saying it was probably difficult for the Office of Student Conduct to put together an unbiased group for any of the Greek probation/suspension hearings. But, in many ways, you are very correct! GO GREEK UCF!

[PKPUCF]

That's exactly the problem with Student Conduct. Many times a decision can be passed based upon if the panel is pro or anti you before you enter the room.

UCF needs to appoint a 3rd party, neutral panel and make sure that a legal counsel oversees every hearing to make sure these hearings are run legally.

[Faith4Keep]

I guess it was just an assumption that SLS (Student Legal Services) sat in on every hearing anyhow. But regardless, I wonder if these cases are actually legal issues or not-- you know, like lawyers are well-versed in US law or whatever they specialize in, you would need a neutral party that is well versed in UCF "law". Which is supposed to be the SCB. ::rolls eyes:: oh well. Things are just never the way they should be.

[PKPUCF]

Originally Posted by Faith4Keep

I guess it was just an assumption that SLS (Student Legal Services) sat in on every hearing anyhow. But regardless, I wonder if these cases are actually legal issues or not-- you know, like lawyers are well-versed in US law or whatever they specialize in, you would need a neutral party that is well versed in UCF "law". Which is supposed to be the SCB. ::rolls eyes:: oh well. Things are just never the way they should be.

Since UCF is a public school apart of the Florida system, they are bound by the laws of the state, and thus students are to be granted their legal rights in any school proceeding.

Every hearing should be run in accordance to legal correctness. To not do so would be a violation of students' rights. Remember- students must follow UCF's rules, but UCF must obey the law and uphold all rights of students. They don't supercede those.

[Firehouse]

Originally Posted by PKPUCF

Since UCF is a public school apart of the Florida system, they are bound by the laws of the state, and thus students are to be granted their legal rights in any school proceeding.

Every hearing should be run in accordance to legal correctness. To not do so would be a violation of students' rights. Remember- students must follow UCF's rules, but UCF must obey the law and uphold all rights of students. They don't supercede those.

Absolutely! Public universities are bound by public law. To say that a student is obliged to obey all their rules simply by enrolling is bogus. Speech codes is an example of what universities try, often unsuccessfully, to impose.

Someone here said that the best approach for a greek group is to just bow your head and take your lumps. No doubt that's sometimes true depending on what you've been up to. But if a greek group wants to challenge the university on the basis of due process, they'll usually have a good case because of the arrogance and bullying of administrators who think they can make up the rules as they go long.

[PKPUCF]

Originally Posted by Firehouse

Absolutely! Public universities are bound by public law. To say that a student is obliged to obey all their rules simply by enrolling is bogus. Speech codes is an example of what universities try, often unsuccessfully, to impose.

Someone here said that the best approach for a greek group is to just bow your head and take your lumps. No doubt that's sometimes true depending on what you've been up to. But if a greek group wants to challenge the university on the basis of due process, they'll usually have a good case because of the arrogance and bullying of administrators who think they can make up the rules as they go long.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Due process and upholding of legal rights should be guarenteed to students, and if they're not then the organization must be called out for it. THere's no doubt in my mind that a certain degree of arrogance has been a factor in our case, and I'm sure the cases of TONS of cases handled in similar procedures.

Another tip- ALL DOCUMENTS, including EMAILS, involving university employees are allowed to be viewed under the Freedom of Information Act. Don't be afriad to seek documents that you want- they are public records.

[fifi225]

Originally Posted by Faith4Keep

The new letters on the parking garage? I brought up the idea.

Holy crap, that was you?! That's seriously the most brilliant idea ever. No...really...I went there for 5 years and had no idea what garage was what. I was on campus last week and nearly wrapped myself around a tree looking at one of the garages and exclaiming to my old roommate "WOW! What a brilliant idea!"

[alphagamgirlie]

Originally Posted by fifi225

Holy crap, that was you?! That's seriously the most brilliant idea ever. No...really...I went there for 5 years and had no idea what garage was what. I was on campus last week and nearly wrapped myself around a tree looking at one of the garages and exclaiming to my old roommate "WOW! What a brilliant idea!"

LOL, I guess it's a half & half thing, some people like it & some don't... I have no idea what those letters are all about, are they in a clockwise or counterclockwise circle around campus? I only park in the 1 behind HPA so I don't know what the other letters on the other garages are. I'm better with directions with calling it the old North, East, South & West garages... except that new huge garage was called Garage V (5...ha "south-west") when I saw it on the map.

Still a great idea though, when your talking about where you parked at, you only have to say one letter & not a whole word like north....hahahaha.

[Pierce]

Originally Posted by XiLove_Epsilon

I think that it is completely sad that fraternities are getting kicked off campuses nation wide. In fact, I think it's pathetic. I realize that there are some things that go too far, but some things are just tradition. We just had a chapter get in trouble with their nationals for having their pledges go and retrieve composites from each fraternity. They were split into groups and this has been tradition for as far back as anyone can remember...things like this is just fun, tradition, and should be left alone by nationals and the media alike. I realize that getting your pledges unbelievably drunk is not the best idea, but sometimes (if no one is getting truely hurt), you've just got to leave well enough alone. Greeks are an exclusive part of universities for a reason.

The sad fact is people do get hurt and killed and we are in a society that sues for everything and everyone suffers. My chapter did not haze but they made the pledges do silly things. It was a small house they were very united and it was a lot of fun. Mind you, I became a member at age 35 as a graduate student. I am a risk management advisor now and i am lucky with the chapter I deal with, you have to be careful , stupidity makes everyone look bad, and you dont want to be asked questions you dont have answers for. In the 80's when i was an undergrad and you had hazing it was a real turn off. All frats were a turn off. They were obnoxious. i truly love my frat, (Sig Ep), and the chapter I deal with, people have their opinions but they are about what the frat was intended. they do well academically, get along, and there is no drama. We had a goofy phraise at a part time job i had once" its always funny til someone loses an eye" well this is true. Or a life or anything else. It is supposed to be fun and enhance the college experience and the life experience. That should be the focus. "Proud to be a sig ep"!