Scary Quota Numbers

[DubaiSis]

That's good to hear, Gee. Although my sorority would be low on the list of possible expansion options at Arkansas, I think it would be exciting to see happen. In the sorority world, Arkansas would be near the top of prestige campuses for any NPC sorority.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by wavycutchip

Hoping its not wishful thinking, but I am hoping that one of the reasons why 3 of those NPC groups didn't pursue re-colonization at Arkansas is because they already have large colonizations planned for this year (Phi Mu at Kentucky, Theta at Oregon, and DG at Alabama). I guess I am the eternal optimist that NPC groups might want to come along soon, and get the opportunity to create a great chapter with some wonderful women who go to school at Arkansas

This plus a lot of the possible players are building at Tennessee in their new Greek Village this year too -
(Alpha Chi Omega, Delta Gamma, Delta Zeta, Phi Mu, Sigma Kappa - don't have houses at UA)

[Titchou]

A large colonization at any other campus would have an impact on the ability to colonize elsewhere in the same year. However, since the national organizations don't pay for the houses, i.e. build it and give it to the chapter, the money comes from local alumnae and the members...other than some start up monies, the investment in human resources, etc., that's not that much of a consideration.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by Titchou

A large colonization at any other campus would have an impact on the ability to colonize elsewhere in the same year. However, since the national organizations don't pay for the houses, i.e. build it and give it to the chapter, the money comes from local alumnae and the members...other than some start up monies, the investment in human resources, etc., that's not that much of a consideration.

I agree that the personnel doing a large colonization might not be ready to take on the time and timetable needed for two at once, but I was trying to point out that you are also hitting up the same groups for fundraising, PR, and generating help both in dollars and volunteer support. An alum living in Alabama but from UT might be torn with which group to help or vice versa.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by HQWest

I agree that the personnel doing a large colonization might not be ready to take on the time and timetable needed for two at once, but I was trying to point out that you are also hitting up the same groups for fundraising, PR, and generating help both in dollars and volunteer support. An alum living in Alabama but from UT might be torn with which group to help or vice versa.

Not that we've experienced! At least not for those 2 schools! Can't imagine a self respecting Vol giving money to Alabama or vice versa.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by Titchou

A large colonization at any other campus would have an impact on the ability to colonize elsewhere in the same year. However, since the national organizations don't pay for the houses, i.e. build it and give it to the chapter, the money comes from local alumnae and the members...other than some start up monies, the investment in human resources, etc., that's not that much of a consideration.

While the house corp typically ends up buying the house, I know in AOII's situation it was our international properties board that financed the entire undertaking and the local corp then pays them. So, it does indeed impact the colonization prospects at other schools with housing needs. I know all groups don't utilize an inter/national properties board, but I know some do.

[carnation]

You know what I was thinking about? What do the composites of mega-chapters look like? Are the composites huge or are the girls' faces tiny?

We thought ours were big with about 100 girls on them.

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by carnation

You know what I was thinking about? What do the composites of mega-chapters look like? Are the composites huge or are the girls' faces tiny?

We thought ours were big with about 100 girls on them.

I am picturing a multi-panel composite that takes up the whole room.

[KSUViolet06]

I've seen one (for a Sigma chapter that is quite large) and they're just one really big composite. The pics are the same size as they normally are, there's just more of them (picture like 6 rows of pics on the bottom as oppsed to the typical 2 or 3ish.) Of course, one of them takes up nearly the entire wall, though.

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

I am picturing a multi-panel composite that takes up the whole room.

The ones at Ole Miss are crazy big with tiny pictures! Here is a picture of the AOII Ole Miss composite from 2009-2010 school year. I did a comparison of their first composite from 1957-1958 school year! ETA: The 2009-2010 looks like the pictures are "big" but they are actually pretty small compared to back in my day when we had 175 members! And then of course there are always some members who are sick and don't have their picture taken.

[33girl]

LOL...I would love to see a composite that huge from the big hair era!! We had a sister whose head was "shrunk" by the composite company since her hair was so big and we only had 50 people...I can't imagine her hair x 200!! The faces would be miniscule.

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally Posted by 33girl

LOL...I would love to see a composite that huge from the big hair era!! We had a sister whose head was "shrunk" by the composite company since her hair was so big and we only had 50 people...I can't imagine her hair x 200!! The faces would be miniscule.

OMG, I have got to take a picture the next time I'm in the house of the big hair era composites....They do take up all of the picture! So funny!

[Benzgirl]

I'm sorry, but that is just rediculous. I can't even imagine wanting 100+ in my pledge class particularly if you went to a small high school.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by hootyhoo

I'm wondering how many universities out there this fall are concerned about potential quota numbers. Last year at Arkansas quota was 101 on bid day, with several chapters taking 103-105. Recruitment registration closes this Friday, but as of Monday we were already at 1250 ladies registered to participate. I'm wondering how it is physically possible for us to take a pledge class any bigger than we did last year. Are there any other universities struggling with similar numbers? We have a guaranteed bid system as long as you make it pref and maximize your options. Rush has already expanded to 7 days of rounds (2 for each except pref) spread out over two weeks. I just can't wrap my head around a potential quota of 130-150 :/

What is the % of PNM's who withdrawal, dropped or because they didn't maximize end up bidless?

It seems hard to imagine that an NPC would consider coming to campus as a failure. Just doing simple math, if each chapter took 100, that is only 800 women, that leaves over 400 women who didn't join a house, that is a huge number. If it was only 100 I can understand an NPC's concern.

Is a chapter required to have a house? If so, is there land or houses available for a new NPC anyways?

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

What is the % of PNM's who withdrawal, dropped or because they didn't maximize end up bidless?

It seems hard to imagine that an NPC would consider coming to campus as a failure. Just doing simple math, if each chapter took 100, that is only 800 women, that leaves over 400 women who didn't join a house, that is a huge number. If it was only 100 I can understand an NPC's concern.

Is a chapter required to have a house? If so, is there land or houses available for a new NPC anyways?

A chapter is not going to be competitive (meaning they will not make quota) on that kind of campus without a house. That is a big hang up with any group considering expansion. Even if you had three chapters without houses ----

It is always hard to find available suitable land. It needs to be close to where the other houses are and big enough to build a comparable house to be competitive.

Arkansas folks - I thought someone said there were empty fraternity houses or spots that would be acceptable?