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[Low C Sharp]

Everyone I know from Miss Manners to Emily Post agree

Miss Manners would always stress, though, that a person's choices always trump the "rules." In other words, you call people what they want to be called, and it is rude to do otherwise. When a person introduces himself as Lord Henry Higginbottom the Eighth, that's what you call him. If an older person insists that you call her by her first name, not "Mrs. Jones," you oblige her.

I am a HUGE Miss Manners fan.
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[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

Miss Manners would always stress, though, that a person's choices always trump the "rules." In other words, you call people what they want to be called, and it is rude to do otherwise. When a person introduces himself as Lord Henry Higginbottom the Eighth, that's what you call him. If an older person insists that you call her by her first name, not "Mrs. Jones," you oblige her.

I am a HUGE Miss Manners fan.

Oh, I'd never be one of those rude, overbearing people who "corrects" someone as to his/her own name - it would just irritate me. But that's the cross I bear with many seemingly forgotten elements of etiquette.

[tld221]

i knew a III in HS (well call him Jim Doe) and he was vehemently against naming his future son Jim Doe IV. now lets say, for example, that John Doe (the son that got skipped over), years down the line wants to pick up tradition again and has a son, does that son get to be Jim Doe IV or do they start over, having him be John Doe Jr.?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tld221

i knew a III in HS (well call him Jim Doe) and he was vehemently against naming his future son Jim Doe IV. now lets say, for example, that John Doe (the son that got skipped over), years down the line wants to pick up tradition again and has a son, does that son get to be Jim Doe IV or do they start over, having him be John Doe Jr.?

As I understand it, John Doe (the son that was skipped) would be able to pick up the tradition and name his son Jim Doe IV. The reason is that John Doe's son is the forth *Jim* Doe in the family.

And if John Doe decided to name his son John Doe after himself, then his son would be a junior/2nd. And for what it is worth, generally speaking "Junior" is used for a son within the same direct lineage, while 2nd/II is used when a generation is either skipped or it is not a direct lineage.

Here are a few possible scenarios that I am personally acquainted with either via my family and/or friends.

Scenario One - direct lineage
Generation 1: John Doe (farther)
Generation 2: John Doe, Junior (son of John Doe) ------ Frank Doe (brother of John Doe, Junior and son of John Doe)
Generation 3: John Doe, III (son of John Doe, Junior)
Generation 4: John Doe, IV (son of John Doe III)

Scenario Two - Son has no male offspring - indirect lineage
Generation 1: John Doe (farther)
Generation 2: John Doe, Junior (son of John Doe) [no sons] ------ Frank Doe (brother of John Doe, Junior and son of John Doe)
Generation 3: John Doe, III (son of Frank Doe)
Generation 4: John Doe, IV (son of John Doe, III)

Scenario Three - Name skips a generation, but also direct lineage (with a twist)
Generation 1: John Doe (farther)
Generation 2: Frank Doe (son of John Doe) [name skipped]
Generation 3: John Doe, II (son of Frank Doe) *and* Frank Doe, Junior (brother of John Doe II, son of Frank Doe)
Generation 4: John Doe, III (son of John Doe II and cousin of Frank Doe, III) *and* Frank Doe, III (son of Frank Doe, Junior and cousin of John Doe, III)

[tld221]

Originally Posted by TSteven

As I understand it, John Doe (the son that was skipped) would be able to pick up the tradition and name his son Jim Doe IV. The reason is that John Doe's son is the forth *Jim* Doe in the family.

And if John Doe decided to name his son John Doe after himself, then his son would be a junior/2nd. And for what it is worth, generally speaking "Junior" is used for a son within the same direct lineage, while 2nd/II is used when a generation is either skipped or it is not a direct lineage.

Here are a few possible scenarios that I am personally acquainted with either via my family and/or friends.

Scenario One - direct lineage
Generation 1: John Doe (farther)
Generation 2: John Doe, Junior (son of John Doe) ------ Frank Doe (brother of John Doe, Junior and son of John Doe)
Generation 3: John Doe, III (son of John Doe, Junior)
Generation 4: John Doe, IV (son of John Doe III)

Scenario Two - Son has no male offspring - indirect lineage
Generation 1: John Doe (farther)
Generation 2: John Doe, Junior (son of John Doe) [no sons] ------ Frank Doe (brother of John Doe, Junior and son of John Doe)
Generation 3: John Doe, III (son of Frank Doe)
Generation 4: John Doe, IV (son of John Doe, III)

Scenario Three - Name skips a generation, but also direct lineage (with a twist)
Generation 1: John Doe (farther)
Generation 2: Frank Doe (son of John Doe) [name skipped]
Generation 3: John Doe, II (son of Frank Doe) *and* Frank Doe, Junior (brother of John Doe II, son of Frank Doe)
Generation 4: John Doe, III (son of John Doe II and cousin of Frank Doe, III) *and* Frank Doe, III (son of Frank Doe, Junior and cousin of John Doe, III)

OK i suppose this makes sense...

and now to take the thread even more off-course:

Teenager in Anheuser-Busch family accused of underage drinking
NEWS WIRE SERVICES
Friday, March 28th 2008, 4:00 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_w...accused-1.html

GODFREY, Ill. - A teenage descendant of the beer-making Anheuser-Busch family has been accused of underage drinking.

Adolphus August Busch 5th, age 17, was arrested with eight other teens at a party Wednesday night. Busch is the grandson of the late August Busch Jr.

"Neither this individual, nor his parents, are employees of Anheuser-Busch. This company, therefore, has no involvement in this matter," said a spokesman for the company, which makes Budweiser and Michelob.

Investigators say the teens were drinking Natural Light - an Anheuser-Busch product - and rum and cokes.

Busch is free on $100 bond.

from Busch Jr to Busch 5th, that's one too many generations from grandfather to grandson. what happened?

and really, do i need to state the obvious on this story?

[pbear19]

Possibly August Busch's first name was not Adolphus? Then the 5th would be the 5th in a different line, not the exact same as Jr's namesake...

Just guessing.

[catiebug]

Or nephews, uncles or cousins are already II-IV.

[ISUKappa]

My boss is a III. His oldest son is a IV only because they were surprised he was a boy when he was born (they had paid for an u/s to find out the sex and were told it was a girl) and they didn't have any boy names picked out.

[nittanyalum]

Looping the conversation back around to women's/equal rights, this article was in The Wall Street Journal today. I know some will get stuck on the point that Hillary Clinton is a focus of the article, but try to look past the political aspects, it reveals interesting (and disturbing, IMO) trends in regards to women, especially in the workplace... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1206...we_banner_left