equal rights really equal??

PSK480 · #1 01-22-2003, 08:57 PM

I know many people may not agree with my opinion, but that's the wonderful thing about being an American, we all have one and it' never the same as anyone elses. This is just something that I thought might be a lively thread, considering the recent happenings in our news about affirmative action, which has as much to do with women and all ethnic backgrounds, not just a white/black thing.

As far as I'm concerned equal rights means everything should be equal all the way up to the draft, a woman can be a ceo or chairperson of a company, she can work in a factory or in construction, even volunteer for the army, but the minute you bring up including women in selective service you get more fire and brimstone thrown your way then Satan and God could muster together. The draft would still be run the same way, you could get a medical defirment and conciencious objector status.

What are your opinions on this??

I'm curious and will try to remain open minded about this as long as I am not personally attacked or utterly flamed for this.

*edited for typos*

valkyrie · #2 01-22-2003, 09:09 PM

In an ideal world, I don't think that *anyone* should be drafted.

However, in a real world where it might be necessary, I agree that women should be subject to it, just as men are. To me, it's only fair.

AlphaSigOU · #3 01-22-2003, 09:17 PM

Gotta agree with ya Ziggy... if a woman wants to serve on the front lines in the infantry or in a submarine or be in special ops, she oughta do it. Women already fly fighters and bombers in combat and there are mixed-gender missile combat crews (there have been for over 15 years).

And yes... women shouldn't be exempt from the draft. Better yet, what about universal military service? For those conscientious objectors or, I'm sure we can find a non-combatant or support job for ya.

While in peacetime, draft BEER, not students... In wartime, no one should be exempt except for reasons of health or deeply-held conscientious beliefs.

PSK480 · #4 01-22-2003, 09:21 PM

AlphaSigOU: so in theory you are suggesting to implement system that Israel uses, but only in war time, where as they use it all the time.

KillarneyRose · #5 01-22-2003, 09:31 PM

I agree with AlphaSigOU. I don't believe that women should be exempt from the draft. And I think that universal military service in peacetime is a fine idea. Before anyone asks, no I haven't served in the military. But if it had been required of me, I would have done so.

The only thing I disagree with is the idea of women in SpecOps. We're simply not physically qualified to do the job.

ZTAngel · #6 01-22-2003, 09:36 PM

If the United States wants to attempt to move towards equality for women, they need to make women part of the draft. Women should have the same rights as men.

But, maybe this rule shouldn't go into affect until I'm past my draftable age because, you can call me a wuss, I'd be scared to death to go out on battlefields or fly a bomber plane.

AlphaSigOU · #7 01-22-2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by PSK480
AlphaSigOU: so in theory you are suggesting to implement system that Israel uses, but only in war time, where as they use it all the time.

You got it... (hands PSK480 a bottle of his usual beer!

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I have no objection to universal service in peacetime either, but so far the 'volunteer' armed forces concept has worked well in the past 30 or so years. Israel has been on a combat footing practically since they became a country; when you're surrounded by neighbors that want nothing more that to wipe you off the map it's nothing unusual to see universal service and long periods in reserve status.

Lady Pi Phi · #8 01-23-2003, 01:47 AM

Well I personally don't believe that anyone should be drafted for military service, but that's another debate for another time. However, I do feel that if the draft is necessary then both men and women should be drafted. Obviously some men and women would not be able to serve for physical or mental reasons. But honestly, I don't really know how I would feel if I were drafted. If I were drafted tomorrow I know I could be exempt from service because I am diabetic. I won't ever be in that position. Hopefully no one has to be in the position.

DeltAlum · #9 01-23-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU

You got it... (hands PSK480 a bottle of his usual beer! )

I have no objection to universal service in peacetime either, but so far the 'volunteer' armed forces concept has worked well in the past 30 or so years. Israel has been on a combat footing practically since they became a country; when you're surrounded by neighbors that want nothing more that to wipe you off the map it's nothing unusual to see universal service and long periods in reserve status.

Exactly.

On the other hand, I think it will be a cold day in Hell before there is ever a draft in the United States again, simply because it would be a political hot potato.

Not that it isn't possible if there should be a protracted ground war somewhere -- and I mean really long.

Still, there are enough voters still around who remember the last draft. It wasn't much fun, and it was unfair to lower income and less educated young men.

Many scoffed at the idea of an "all volunteer" military -- but it has worked pretty darned well.