Joe Horn - Page 6

RU OX Alum · #76 07-02-2008, 11:59 AM

And just because you don't like a law doesn't make it not binding.

Especially when said law is enacted in a different sovereignty than your own.

DaemonSeid · #77 07-02-2008, 12:03 PM

Logically and legally I agree with Kevin

Morally is where I disagree and I think this is why a lot of people have issue over the ruling and the law and what may happen in future cases

DSTCHAOS · #78 07-02-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Joe Horn followed the law.

DUH.

Doesn't make him any less of a vigilante or a murderer (as far as many are concerned).

DSTCHAOS · #79 07-02-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Logically and legally I agree with Kevin

Morally is where I disagree and I think this is why a lot of people have issue over the ruling and the law and what may happen in future cases

That law is encouraging vigilantism and that law will not be equally applied.

'nuff said

DaemonSeid · #80 07-02-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That law is encouraging vigilantism and that law will not be equally applied.

'nuff said

as well as the verdict...and I agree...

madmax · #81 07-02-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

This is everything thats wrong with America. How can you honestly sympathize with these criminals? It would take a "redneck" to care enough about your neighbors to risk your life for them. He even says that he barely knows them. The man is a hero, not a villain.
Whatever, have fun voting for Obama, hippie.

Sympathize? If you want to call it that, then I sympathize because I am not a redneck from Texas. If someone steals a "TV" or whatever they stole they should get the standard punishemt for stealing a TV. I would guess the standard punishment would involve jail. Getting shot in the back is excessive.

Kevin · #82 07-02-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That law is encouraging vigilantism and that law will not be equally applied.

The law is probably never equally applied.

DSTCHAOS · #83 07-02-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

The law is probably never equally applied.

Cop out.

srmom · #84 07-03-2008, 10:16 AM

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There are laws that state what home owners can and can not do to burglars. These may not exist in Texas

No, they exist. You just don't like what they say. Joe Horn was not indicted because according to Texas law, he did nothing wrong.

Interesting that it's not even being talked about much here in Houston by the "water coolers". I guess us Rednecks don't think it deserves a discussion.

Also, yesterday's front page coverage on the Chronicle was all about the incident from Joe Horn's perspective. The head line was:

'Real' Joe Horn Recalls Surreal Day. - Pasadena retiree still haunted by decision that led to burglars' deaths.

I guess they see which way the wind is blowing here...

TexasWSP · #85 07-03-2008, 10:38 AM

The simple fact here is that laws covering home invasion and theft and what you can do about it do exist in Texas. Reiterating on what was said above, you people griping about this simply don't agree with the fact that down here, you can put these types of scum out of their misery. Guess the poor burglars will have to find a new profession.

...and I agree, I haven't seen so much as a blip about this situation in Texas either. Most discussions end with "well, shouldn't have robbed their house."

DSTCHAOS · #86 07-03-2008, 11:30 AM

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No, they exist. You just don't like what they say.

Eh...I don't know what the laws state. If the Horn case covers the scope of the home owner-burglar laws in Texas then...OK.

DSTCHAOS · #87 07-03-2008, 11:34 AM

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you can put these types of scum out of their misery. Guess the poor burglars will have to find a new profession.

Despite what you all think about career criminals, this isn't a "profession" for most of these burglars.

That's an important point because people's misconception of crime and criminals has a huge impact on whether they let the police handle burglars OR whether they go out of their way to create a human gun range and call it "self-defense."

TexasWSP · #88 07-03-2008, 03:10 PM

I was kind of joking but it's not a big deal. In this case, I believe one of the "victims" actual job title was "Illegal Colombian Drug Runner". His poor job performance led to a stint on probation so I'm just assuming that was his prior choice of employment.

One other thing......I'm not Joe Horn, neither are you. We can't really comment on whether or not he felt threatened because 1. we aren't him and 2. we weren't there. Despite his seemingly confident nature on the telephone, we still don't know.

What I do know is that if I were holding up a couple of burglars and one of them decided to run at me......I'd be startled......and he'd probably be shot. You may say, "he didn't have to hold them up", but come on. You know as well as I do that a couple of illegals who still a couple grand from a house are going to be on the bottom of the list of police's concerns.

DSTCHAOS · #89 07-03-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasWSP

One other thing......I'm not Joe Horn, neither are you. We can't really comment on whether or not he felt threatened because 1. we aren't him and 2. we weren't there. Despite his seemingly confident nature on the telephone, we still don't know.

Please be "kind of joking," again.

Random but this reminded me of Joe Horn:
Christina's Court had an interesting case today. There was a Texas man who loved guns and hunting who hated his neighbor's pit bull that kept getting loose. The man said the dog was vicious, although in reality it was a relatively timid dog that growled but would run if yelled at. The neighbors kept letting the dog get out, violating the leash law. Instead of calling Animal Control, this man saw the dog outside his house one day staring at him, went INSIDE his house, came BACK outside and shot the dog FIVE times, killing it. He called 911 and calmly told the police "my neighbor's pit bull got out again today...no one's hurt...I killed it." THEN instead of telling his neighbor that he killed the dog, he dumps the dog at a dumpster. His defense is that none of this would've happened if the owners had not been negligent. The Judge ruled that this man wasn't in danger, instead he was waiting for a chance to use this dog as a target. He was accused of murdering the dog (and being evil).

This is a civil suit and not a criminal suit, but dogs' lives mean something here.

Maybe the burglarers' families can get a civil suit going--or do the illegal immigrant status and Texas law thingie void that opportunity?

TexasWSP · #90 07-03-2008, 03:40 PM

So you can say with certainty that you knew how he really felt? If you have ESP let me know...I've got some questions for you. I know plenty of people who can act hard as all get out.....doesn't mean that's how they are really feeling. So no, I wasn't really joking there.

Dog = illegal Colombian ex-con burglars?

He shot a couple of criminals whom he claims he felt threatened by. A cop testified that they ran at him and veered off. Not seeing a problem here. I mean...they could have prison shanked him or something, haha.