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12-05-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
If he had shot a cop or someone innocent, he would have been criminally liable. Gun owners are generally pretty careful about these sorts of things.
At any rate, I don't have a problem with the law. Perhaps if word gets out about this statute, it'll be a deterrent?
The profession of burglar is now more hazardous. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
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hey....now there is a question.....was his firearm registered?
Does a shotgun in Texas have to be registered?
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12-05-2007, 08:48 PM
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hey....now there is a question.....was his firearm registered?
Does a shotgun in Texas have to be registered?
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I have no idea.
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12-05-2007, 11:37 PM
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hey....now there is a question.....was his firearm registered?
Does a shotgun in Texas have to be registered?
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You have to have a permit in Texas to carry a handgun. That's about it.
Rifles and Shotguns don't have to be registered and you don't have to have a permit or license.
Personally, I don't think he broke the law either. Also, how are many of you stating that he was in no danger, didn't feel threatened, etc. Were you all there? Do you know the guy?
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12-05-2007, 11:43 PM
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Rifles and Shotguns don't have to be registered and you don't have to have a permit or license.
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Well Texas does clearly warn everyone not to mess with it... guess that's proving to be sound advice.
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12-06-2007, 10:46 AM
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Personally, I don't think he broke the law either. Also, how are many of you stating that he was in no danger, didn't feel threatened, etc. Were you all there? Do you know the guy?
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Macallan, I would be one...listen to the 911 call, he clearly was in no danger as long as he stayed in the house, he never made it sound as if the robbers were coming to his house, he never made it sound as if they threatened him, from the recording, as long as he stayed put and let the cops do their job, he was safe.
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12-06-2007, 12:52 PM
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Personally, I don't think he broke the law either. Also, how are many of you stating that he was in no danger, didn't feel threatened, etc. Were you all there? Do you know the guy?
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More importantly, feeling "danger" and being "threatened" are not elements which are necessary to raise the defense.
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Macallan, I would be one...listen to the 911 call, he clearly was in no danger as long as he stayed in the house, he never made it sound as if the robbers were coming to his house, he never made it sound as if they threatened him, from the recording, as long as he stayed put and let the cops do their job, he was safe.
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None of that stuff is necessary either. Texas doesn't have a duty to retreat, nor does it specify that you have to feel there's a danger of death or serious bodily harm, or papercuts, or that the defense can't be raised on days starting with a T. The statute is pretty clearly set up to allow homeowners to take care of situations which may potentially become dangerous, thus allowing the homeowner to avoid having to ever be in danger at all.
Weighing the equities here, I'm going to have to say that I'll place the security and safety of homeowners above burglars' lives every single time. You don't know that by calling the cops, if there had been the duty to retreat, etc., that there would have eventually been a hostage situation, or something dangerous like that. You just don't know.
In Texas, they prefer not to find out.
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12-06-2007, 12:59 PM
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More importantly, feeling "danger" and being "threatened" are not elements which are necessary to raise the defense.
None of that stuff is necessary either. Texas doesn't have a duty to retreat, nor does it specify that you have to feel there's a danger of death or serious bodily harm, or papercuts, or that the defense can't be raised on days starting with a T. The statute is pretty clearly set up to allow homeowners to take care of situations which may potentially become dangerous, thus allowing the homeowner to avoid having to ever be in danger at all.
Weighing the equities here, I'm going to have to say that I'll place the security and safety of homeowners above burglars' lives every single time. You don't know that by calling the cops, if there had been the duty to retreat, etc., that there would have eventually been a hostage situation, or something dangerous like that. You just don't know.
In Texas, they prefer not to find out.
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As I always like to say...
"Don't go to Texas and raise a ruckus...you might not come back."
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