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Old 05-22-2007, 03:00 PM
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Society created the notion that bras are for only for women.

Huh...and all this time, I thought that the notion that bras are for women comes from the fact that bras were created to cover and support breasts.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:13 PM
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Huh...and all this time, I thought that the notion that bras are for women comes from the fact that bras were created to cover and support breasts.
Big Gulps huh?
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:36 PM
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Oh, I know men can get breast cancer. And guys can also develop Gynecomastia. (I've had to help men get preauth for breast reduction surgery before.)

I just got a chuckle out of the idea that society is at fault for the presumption that bras are for women. Bras were invented for people to cover and support breasts. The majority of the time, the people who need that to be done are women. (And, of course, back when bras were invented, the idea of a man having/developing breasts would have been substantially less well known.)

Women generally wear bras out of necessity - the same purpose for which bras were invented. If a guy (or a woman who doesn't necessarily "need" one) wants to wear a bra for "fun," I don't really care one way or the other.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:51 PM
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Women generally wear bras out of necessity
If I didn't have any, I wouldn't wear one...
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:51 PM
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Huh...and all this time, I thought that the notion that bras are for women comes from the fact that bras were created to cover and support breasts.
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Oh, I know men can get breast cancer. And guys can also develop Gynecomastia. (I've had to help men get preauth for breast reduction surgery before.)

I just got a chuckle out of the idea that society is at fault for the presumption that bras are for women. Bras were invented for people to cover and support breasts. The majority of the time, the people who need that to be done are women. (And, of course, back when bras were invented, the idea of a man having/developing breasts would have been substantially less well known.)

Women generally wear bras out of necessity - the same purpose for which bras were invented. If a guy (or a woman who doesn't necessarily "need" one) wants to wear a bra for "fun," I don't really care one way or the other.
Well, yeah, bras were designed and made for women. But men can wear them if they choose, there is no laws or rules or anything against it. Therefore, they are not only for women.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:53 PM
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Well, yeah, bras were designed and made for women. But men can wear them if they choose, there is no laws or rules or anything against it. Therefore, they are not only for women.
There are no laws against women wearing a jockstrap and cup, either, but you couldn't pay me enough to do it.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:19 PM
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I just got a chuckle out of the idea that society is at fault for the presumption that bras are for women. Bras were invented for people to cover and support breasts. The majority of the time, the people who need that to be done are women. (And, of course, back when bras were invented, the idea of a man having/developing breasts would have been substantially less well known.)
Why don't fat men (some of whom are genetically predisposed to increased fat in the breast area than other areas) wear them, even though they are potentially subject to similar back pain etc as women?

Why don't obese men wear sports bras when running/walking/whatever?

To discount the 'traditional' component seems odd, since it's clear from the responses here that there is, indeed, that 'presumption' and that it's far beyond "you don't need one" - he's been called gay, dude. That's not "you don't need support!"
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:42 PM
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Why don't obese men wear sports bras when running/walking/whatever?
They don't wear sports bras because they don't walk or run
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:47 PM
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Why don't fat men (some of whom are genetically predisposed to increased fat in the breast area than other areas) wear them, even though they are potentially subject to similar back pain etc as women?

Why don't obese men wear sports bras when running/walking/whatever?

To discount the 'traditional' component seems odd, since it's clear from the responses here that there is, indeed, that 'presumption' and that it's far beyond "you don't need one" - he's been called gay, dude. That's not "you don't need support!"
I can understand a fat guy with bigger boobs than me wearing a sports bra or the good old dependable Playtex 18 Hour bra for comfort's sake. A lot of them probably do. That's a lot different than going to Victoria's Secret and getting a pink lacy concoction. As some of the better endowed women on here have mentioned, Vicky's isn't exactly the best for larger sizes. Someone with a male back with backfat on it would have issues getting one to fit.

Our OP here JUST LIKES WEARING BRAS.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:07 PM
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Well, yeah, bras were designed and made for women. But men can wear them if they choose, there is no laws or rules or anything against it. Therefore, they are not only for women.
I never said that they were only for women. I did say that they were created to serve a specific purpose (supporting/covering breasts) and that society isn't making up some cumbersome rule whereby people would generally find it strange that someone who didn't need a bra for its intended purpose would wear one anyhow.

That said, I would also find it unusual if:

A woman wore a jockstrap and a cup.
A man wore a jockstrap and a cup regularly in situations outside what said jock and cup were designed for.
A person (male or female) wore a welders mask when not welding.
A person wore a bicycle helmet when not biking.

You get the idea. Is it possible that a person would simply enjoy wearing a bicycle helmet and therefore choose to wear it even when not necessary for its intended purpose? Sure. Would most people find it a bit unusual? I suspect so. Are there laws against wearing a bicycle helmet while not biking? Not that I'm aware of. Does that make it any less unusual? No.

I could not care less if you wear bras or not. I do not think that wearing bras makes you "gay." To tell you the truth, my opinion is that you wear bras b/c its something that you're not "supposed" to do. Somewhere in your subconcious you enjoy the fact that you're doing something unconventional that many people would find shocking. Does this bother me? No. Plenty of people do things to purposely be unconventional (ex - tattoos and body piercings, before they became so common. Dying hair purple, green, or any other color of the rainbow. Dressing goth.). Which doesn't bother me in the slightest - if we all looked/dressed/acted alike, it would get boring real fast. But, I do think that the "forbidden" or "unconventional" aspect of it is more the reason why you wear them vs. any "comfort" factor. (I've been wearing bras for 20+ years and know from firsthand experience that they aren't "comfortable.") Does it really matter to me exactly why you choose to wear them? No.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:20 PM
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I can understand a fat guy with bigger boobs than me wearing a sports bra or the good old dependable Playtex 18 Hour bra for comfort's sake. A lot of them probably do. That's a lot different than going to Victoria's Secret and getting a pink lacy concoction. As some of the better endowed women on here have mentioned, Vicky's isn't exactly the best for larger sizes. Someone with a male back with backfat on it would have issues getting one to fit.

Our OP here JUST LIKES WEARING BRAS.
The reason I go with VS is because I feel that if I am going to be doing this, might as well go with the best. I don't know if VS are the best, but their line is the most heavily marketed, and they do look nice on their models, so their advertising gets to me that they are the best. I couldn't go with another brand because it would just feel cheaper and would appeal to me less.

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I never said that they were only for women. I did say that they were created to serve a specific purpose (supporting/covering breasts) and that society isn't making up some cumbersome rule whereby people would generally find it strange that someone who didn't need a bra for its intended purpose would wear one anyhow.

That said, I would also find it unusual if:

A woman wore a jockstrap and a cup.
A man wore a jockstrap and a cup regularly in situations outside what said jock and cup were designed for.
A person (male or female) wore a welders mask when not welding.
A person wore a bicycle helmet when not biking.

You get the idea. Is it possible that a person would simply enjoy wearing a bicycle helmet and therefore choose to wear it even when not necessary for its intended purpose? Sure. Would most people find it a bit unusual? I suspect so. Are there laws against wearing a bicycle helmet while not biking? Not that I'm aware of. Does that make it any less unusual? No.

I could not care less if you wear bras or not. I do not think that wearing bras makes you "gay." To tell you the truth, my opinion is that you wear bras b/c its something that you're not "supposed" to do. Somewhere in your subconcious you enjoy the fact that you're doing something unconventional that many people would find shocking. Does this bother me? No. Plenty of people do things to purposely be unconventional (ex - tattoos and body piercings, before they became so common. Dying hair purple, green, or any other color of the rainbow. Dressing goth.). Which doesn't bother me in the slightest - if we all looked/dressed/acted alike, it would get boring real fast. But, I do think that the "forbidden" or "unconventional" aspect of it is more the reason why you wear them vs. any "comfort" factor. (I've been wearing bras for 20+ years and know from firsthand experience that they aren't "comfortable.") Does it really matter to me exactly why you choose to wear them? No.
You hit the nail on the head here susan. I think the fact that wearing a bra is "out there" and that I am not supposed to plays a huge role in why I enjoy wearing bras. If this was normal in men, I am sure that wearing a bra would be less enjoyable and fun for me. The whole rebellious factor is a reason why I enjoy wearing bras. I do think bras are comfortable though and I do feel weird when I am not wearing one.
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:27 PM
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Huh...and all this time, I thought that the notion that bras are for women comes from the fact that bras were created to cover and support breasts.

I just shot Diet Coke out of my nose.
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:10 PM
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It's nothing really. There is nothing to be afraid of. Yeah, we think all the guys who come in to shop for themselves are gay/messed up psychologically, but so what? What are we going to do about it? One of the biggest things our management pushes is to treat everyone like the same sex. Gender is no barrier at Victoria's Secret, or so they say. If a guy wants to try on every bra in the place, let him. Legally we can't do anything about it. And when the guy leaves the place, we forget. It's not like we salespeople are going to hunt you down and make fun of your hobby for the rest of your life. Chances are we never see you again. Go for it, yeah we probably will think you are weird but its so common its not like you will stand out. [/B]
Your manager is exactly right.I've known a couple drag queens in my life that had exquisite taste and made hella money as drag performers. Their money and credit cards spend just the same as anyone elses.


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Myself? I just like bras. That's it. I have no desire to grow breasts, or wear any other women's clothing/garments other than bras. I don't want to be a woman. I just like bras, and if you were to see me I would be completely normal looking guy unless you knew I had a bra on. But these cross dressers take what I do and take it to extremes that I would kill myself rather than doing.
So is it the bra itself you like or the fabric of the bra? I ask because in my many years as a preschool Director/teacher, I have come across several little boys,and thinking back, they all have been boys, who could not sleep without blankets made from the silky fabric of their mothers lingerie. Sometimes it was a blanket or a satin pillowcase and in a few cases it was actually Mom's silk/satin slip. The fabric and sometimes the item itself ,provided them comfort and security.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:09 PM
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So is it the bra itself you like or the fabric of the bra? I ask because in my many years as a preschool Director/teacher, I have come across several little boys,and thinking back, they all have been boys, who could not sleep without blankets made from the silky fabric of their mothers lingerie. Sometimes it was a blanket or a satin pillowcase and in a few cases it was actually Mom's silk/satin slip. The fabric and sometimes the item itself ,provided them comfort and security.
the bra itself

i cant really give a definitive reason why i like wearing them. but my bra collection is diverse with many kinds of fabrics.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:14 PM
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