Questions about GPA Requirements and PNMs - Page 6

33girl · #1 06-05-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess

It's not "mutual" as long as a woman cannot drop a chapter during the process.

I'm not arguing for that -- way too often the one she dropped would have been the best fit for her. Still, choices have consequences.

So Rachel Rushee goes to 16 houses on day one, and gets invited back to 8. But two of those who invited her back were those she didn't want to return to, and under many (most?) Panhel rules she gives up all choice - dropped from rush - if she doesn't go back to those she didn't want.

Well guess what, sometimes the chapters are forced (by advisors, HQs, or worst, by Greek life offices) to invite back women they really don't want to have there because their rush retention rates or numbers are low. Except for the last case, that's not Panhel's fault.

Not only that, Rachel needs to get her ish together and realize there IS a polite way of conveying to DEF and GHI that she really doesn't want to be there. The problem is, it may be out of the members' hands to do her that courtesy and release her. They can't make the other chapters like her more and invite her to their parties, which I'm sure many DEFs and GHIs would love to be able to do. Just because your numbers are low doesn't mean you are so dense as to not know when someone is unhappy or uncomfortable.

If you realize the one she's dumping may be a better fit for her, I don't understand how you can still rail against a woman being "forced" to go to parties during formal rush.

DGTess · #2 06-05-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

If you realize the one she's dumping may be a better fit for her, I don't understand how you can still rail against a woman being "forced" to go to parties during formal rush.

No one's "railing." I simply stated the process is not mutual if a chapter can drop a rushee but a rushee cannot drop a chapter.

Titchou · #3 06-05-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess

No one's "railing." I simply stated the process is not mutual if a chapter can drop a rushee but a rushee cannot drop a chapter.

Yes it is...she can drop them at the end. Her only possible sanction would be not being a QA since she didn't maximize her options. And she always has the right to reject any bid offered to her. So, in the final analysis, it's her choice to make. It seems you think everyone ought to have the opportunity to pledge any group. That's not realistic as one side has to initiate the invitations. And in this case, it's the GLO...

Greek_or_Geek? · #4 06-05-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

Yes it is...she can drop them at the end. Her only possible sanction would be not being a QA since she didn't maximize her options. And she always has the right to reject any bid offered to her. So, in the final analysis, it's her choice to make. It seems you think everyone ought to have the opportunity to pledge any group. That's not realistic as one side has to initiate the invitations. And in this case, it's the GLO...

Panhellenics go to great lengths to dissuade PNMs from suiciding though. Whether it be the gentle implication that ranking all her choices increases her chances of getting her favorites to the all out "you must list all of them or the computer will drop you and you will not get a bid at all." It's sort of the equivalent of weaker chapters being forced to invite back PNMs they don't want for the sake of numbers.

wcjane · #5 06-05-2012, 08:10 PM

I'm learning as I navigate through this forum. Who knew there were so many ins and outs?

In the recruitment booklet of the school I'm attending (midwest), "mutual selection" is mentioned frequently. I think it's supposed to be reassuring but.... I realize I'm trying to be accepted into their group, they're not necessarily trying to be accepted into my group of Jane.

One of the first questions I asked myself was "what if nobody wants me?". I realize that I am dependent on sororities wanting me back. If they don't choose me then it doesn't matter how much I want them. Stark but true.

Titchou · #6 06-05-2012, 09:01 PM

DGTess, she can drop one at the very end - after pref. The only negative impact is if that is a suicide then she won't be eligible for any but the one group she lists. And since that's the only one she wants at that point, it doesn't matter. And all pur choices in life have consequences. Time they realized that.

And wcjane, you are being very realistic and it will serve you well! In recruitment and in life.

WCsweet<3 · #7 06-06-2012, 12:04 AM

Question about quota: From what I understand, quota is based on the number of women who attend preference/pref form. What about women who SIP?

That isn't very clear so here is an example.

Say there are four chapters; A, B, C, W. There are 100 PNMs who sign pref forms. Theoretically, quota would be 25 per chapter right?

If so (if not ignore this portion), what happens if 80-90 PNMs sign for either, A and B, B and C, A and C or SIP. What if only 10-20 PNMs have W on their pref form?

Sorry if this is rather simple. I was only on the chapter side of recruitment once and was then a rho gamma where it wasn't explained.

DubaiSis · #8 06-06-2012, 01:03 AM

If you're talking about quota within RFM, it is not exactly the number of rushees at preference divided by number of chapters. As I understand it, if that number is 40, they will start with that number and then see how many girls find a home if they go with 39, 38, 41, 42, etc. A quota of 38 can actually place more girls in some scenarios. Thankfully the computer can do all this in a flash so a bunch of old ladies don't have to try to figure it out after hours of manual bid matching.

Titchou · #9 06-06-2012, 07:04 AM

Greek_or_Geek: Just because some PH's don't explain things properly or coerce PNMs to do things they don't want, the bottom line is still that the choice is the PNM's. How people abuse and misuse the system is another topic altogether.

And yes, DubaiSis, that's how it works with RFM.

Titchou · #10 06-06-2012, 11:53 AM

I never write a rec if the PNM won't give me her transcript. Seriously, I am not going to vouch for someone without it. And if the chapter asks me for a rec on her, then I ALWAYS ask the chapter if she meets their GPA requirement. If she doesn't, I tell them i won't look for rec info on her. Why bother if they aren't going to pledge her anyway???? If they insist, I'll do it but I will qualify the grade situation.

dgdramadawg · #11 06-25-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

I never write a rec if the PNM won't give me her transcript. Seriously, I am not going to vouch for someone without it. And if the chapter asks me for a rec on her, then I ALWAYS ask the chapter if she meets their GPA requirement. If she doesn't, I tell them i won't look for rec info on her. Why bother if they aren't going to pledge her anyway???? If they insist, I'll do it but I will qualify the grade situation.

I never even have to ask girls for transcripts... they just provide them! I guess that's the benefit of living in the south.

I didn't think to ask chapters if the girls they contact me about meet the grade requirements... I guess I just assumed that the schools that contact me already have that info (I didn't realize Panhellenic didn't ask for that info at every school!). This is a good idea, Titchou!

lawgal · #12 06-25-2012, 07:05 PM

I am surprised that verification of grades seems such a big issue. I know at Auburn, the registration process for recruitment requires that you submit transcripts and test scores to Panhellenic.

Titchou · #13 06-25-2012, 07:38 PM

Most do give me their transcripts...but there are always a few who don't. And when I was City Sponsorship Chairman, and helped the ones since, I just can't see wasting time getting information on women the chapter knows they will release the first night. I live in Alabama - toooooo many PNMs since we have 5 chapters now in the state not to mention the other SEC schools....you have to draw the line somewhere....