DELTA UPSILON IN THE PHILIPPINES

[alumnisec]

About the list of organizations that nahrat has post ,Delta Upsilon wasn`t included on the list coz we are still waiting for the final approval of the official recognition if ever we will be accepted and be a part of the International.

The list of fraternities present there are the fraternities registered in the Securities and Exchange Commission of the Philippines.If ever we will be officially recognize ,by the time of my vacation this May to the Philippines I will registered the fraternity to the government agency and that is the Securities and Exchange Commission.

We need legal documents and official recognition in order for us to register in SEC Philippines.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by alumnisec

About the list of organizations that nahrat has post ,Delta Upsilon wasn`t included on the list coz we are still waiting for the final approval of the official recognition if ever we will be accepted and be a part of the International.

The list of fraternities present there are the fraternities registered in the Securities and Exchange Commission of the Philippines.If ever we will be officially recognize ,by the time of my vacation this May to the Philippines I will registered the fraternity to the government agency and that is the Securities and Exchange Commission.

We need legal documents and official recognition in order for us to register in SEC Philippines.

I didn't include Delta Upsilon in that listing because the situation is currently in flux. (Frankly, I'd be surprised if things could be *totally* sorted out on January 9th, everything I've seen proposed would seem to require that the change would be "ratified" by a change of the bylaws by the Delta Upsilon Convention.)

I'm not sure that any list exists of all of the groups registered by the SEC. The one mentioned here that is on scribed is originally from Wikipedia (I created that wikipedia page in the first place) (Can't find the post in this thread )and I barely knew about the SEC at the time. I have added Delta Upsilon to that page on Wikipedia now.

In regards to that, are familiar with a group called Delta Gamma Beta? They are a Philippine group that listed themselves on the Wikipedia page with their International affiliation being that of Delta Upsilon. Are they an affiliated Sorority to Delta Upsilon in the Philippines or something similar?

I'd *love* to be able to get an official list of Fraternities and Sororities that have registered with the SEC, any ideas how to get such a list?

[alumnisec]

Originally Posted by naraht

I didn't include Delta Upsilon in that listing because the situation is currently in flux. (Frankly, I'd be surprised if things could be *totally* sorted out on January 9th, everything I've seen proposed would seem to require that the change would be "ratified" by a change of the bylaws by the Delta Upsilon Convention.)

I'm not sure that any list exists of all of the groups registered by the SEC. The one mentioned here that is on scribed is originally from Wikipedia (I created that wikipedia page in the first place) (Can't find the post in this thread )and I barely knew about the SEC at the time. I have added Delta Upsilon to that page on Wikipedia now.

In regards to that, are familiar with a group called Delta Gamma Beta? They are a Philippine group that listed themselves on the Wikipedia page with their International affiliation being that of Delta Upsilon. Are they an affiliated Sorority to Delta Upsilon in the Philippines or something similar?

I'd *love* to be able to get an official list of Fraternities and Sororities that have registered with the SEC, any ideas how to get such a list?

I`m sorry I was thinking that was the list of the SEC Philippines.Anyway Delta Gamma Beta is totally not connected with the Delta Upsilon.They are a different organization.They don`n apply for any kind of affiliation cause Delta Gamma Beta in the Philippines is quite a strong and stable fraternity already.Kindly edit that one cause I think they will react with that one cause I have some friends who are members of that fraternity.

About the list of fraternities registered in SEC Philippines,I will send it to you after I could email the agency in the Philippines.As of now I can`t register Delta Upsilon in the Securities and Exchange Commission in the Philippines cause they need legal documents that comes from the IHQ to register Delta Upsilon in the said agency.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by alumnisec

Nahrat for your information we have done 20 things in bringing DU to the campus , and we never did try to establish Delta Upsilon without permission.It just so happened that all of us the pioneers in the Philippines are already alumni and because we try to work abroad thats why we didn`t process the recognition consistently.

Before I was in Singapore working as data controller and now I`m here in Riyadh, KSA working as Department Manager.We are seeking also our future therefore applying for recognition to our chapters in the Philippines wasn`t that easy until in 2008 last year that our brothers in the Philippines had called us and inform that Delta Upsilon is getting strong in our country so I decided and all the alumni decided to pursue the application for recognition.

Don`t compare our affiliation with APO-Phil and Alphasig-Phil cause in the past there wasn`t internet as you know and the process of applying for recognition before can`t be done by emails instead by personal visit only.Unlike now, that I do have contact with the Exec Director and I keep on sending emails to him and as well as informing me that the final decision will be on this coming January 9 ,2009.As a matter of fact we are still under investigation and last October 23-26 ,2008 if am not mistaken during the Board of Directors meeting our chapters had been discuss and included in the agenda.

Honestly, am a fratman in college ,two time member of different fraternities , I decided to quit cause i really hate hazing !!!!I was even the president of these fraternities until times comes that I finish college that I decided to leave the fraternity.

About APO and ALPHASIG they are great fraternities in the Philippines ,in fact most politicians are APO member.With regards to Alpha Sigma Phi I know a lot about the history of this fraternity here in the Philippines ,its right that in 1984 the ties between ASP-USA and ASP-Phil was done.Indeed, one representative from the Philippines ,the late Atty. Leandro Echavez was the father of my soon to be wife.And even her is also a member of Alpha Sigma Phi.The only difference of ASP-USA and ASP-Phil is that USA is exlcusive for men only or shall we say fraternity while in the Philippines its COED or both men and women can joined the group.

I just want to say something to some people who will gonna post again and still continue to put us down all I can say is that please give us some space cause we don`t disturb u nor we mind your business!!!!!!

I was not the one who questioned how the ritual could be legal. As I understand from your post, the people who first initiated brothers in the Philippines are alumni of Delta Upsilon in North America, is this correct?

In many ways your proposed affiliation is somewhat between those of Alpha Phi Omega than Alpha Sigma Phi.

For Alpha Phi Omega, the difference in time between brothers being initiated in the Philippines (March 1950) and acceptance of this fact by the North American Fraternity was a matter of months and *that* delay was mostly waiting for the next National Convention (December 1950). Alpha Phi Omega's National Board was kept informed during the entire process. While relations were informally suspended after the Ferdinand Tabtab situation, there was *never* a feeling that the group in the Philippines was in any way illegally using any symbols. (See http://www.apo.org.ph/?mode=articles&cmd=view&id=72) (I'm on both Alpha Phi Omega national History and Archives Committee and on the International Relations Committee)

For Alpha Sigma Phi, I haven't any information to indicate that Alpha Sigma Phi in North America was aware of the founding of Alpha Sigma Phi in the Philippines, in fact given that the first two chapters in the Philippines which were founded in 1959 and 1965 were not themselves merged into a single national organization until 1972, I would be surprised if the North American brothers were aware prior to that time.

I would frankly *love* to see Delta Upsilon in the Philippines in affiliation with Delta Upsilon of North America. However, due to differences in standard of living *and* the college life between North America and the Philippines, that requirements that make sense in one may not make sense in the other. For this reason, I think that an international affiliation of the form of Alpha Phi Omega or Alpha Sigma Phi would be superior to that of becoming a province of Delta Upsilon of North America. Having said that, becoming a province would be massively superior to the current situation.

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by naraht

I was not the one who questioned how the ritual could be legal. As I understand from your post, the people who first initiated brothers in the Philippines are alumni of Delta Upsilon in North America, is this correct?

This is not correct. The seven "pioneers" as they term themselves obtained DU's ritual online and initiated themselves. They were students from the Philippines who are now alumni from the Philippines. No one from DU in North America participated in their "initiation."

[naraht]

Originally Posted by SAEalumnus

This is not correct. The seven "pioneers" as they term themselves obtained DU's ritual online and initiated themselves. They were students from the Philippines who are now alumni from the Philippines. No one from DU in North America participated in their "initiation."

Ah. That complicates things...

[rufio]

no official news. just gossip, rumors and hearsay

[duphil]

This is unpleasant already that we the alumni in the Philippines had decide to tell the alumni secretary to email the executive director of Delta Upsilon and tell about the posting in this matter.

We had told the alumni secretary to reveal all the posting here and to clean out our name that we are not expanding without permission.We are silent already but this thread still reinvented that keeps on annoying us.

Let us see what will come out after the executive director will review this thread.

[alumnisec]

Originally Posted by duphil

This is unpleasant already that we the alumni in the Philippines had decide to tell the alumni secretary to email the executive director of Delta Upsilon and tell about the posting in this matter.

We had told the alumni secretary to reveal all the posting here and to clean out our name that we are not expanding without permission.We are silent already but this thread still reinvented that keeps on annoying us.

Let us see what will come out after the executive director will review this thread.

I email this things already to the Executive Director Justin Kirk yesterday.All the alumni decision in the Philippines is right much better to share this matter to the Exec Director and let him discover how we are degraded here.

We come for affiliation in a peaceful manner but some accuse us of being stealers and whatsoever.It`s done brod and the Exec Director knows it already.GODSPEED!!!

[rufio]

please do not tell me you emailed a greek chat thread to Justin Kirk. unbelievable.

[naraht]

As far as I am concerned, given the degree of openness that Delta Upsilon of the Philippines has now shown, there are *exactly* two groups that can decide that Delta Upsilon is stealing, the Delta Upsilon (North-America) National Board and then once they have made their decision, the Delta Upsilon (North-America) National Convention. (For various reasons that I have stated, I believe that if the National Board decides to accept DU-Phil, that changes to the Delta Upsilon bylaws and minor changes to the *ritual* will have to be made.)

At this point, I feel that it is *no longer appropriate* for those who are not brothers of Delta Upsilon to accuse Delta Upsilon of the Philippoines of stealing, and for brothers of Delta Upsilon, they should, IMO, accept that at this point it is now being handled in the most appropriate manner, and arguments that it is not should be taken up with your national officers.

As for Greekwatch's comment, yes the setup of Delta Upsilon of North America tends to encourage chapters to have houses. However, I would expect that this will either lead to different rules for the Philippines of a separate national organization. However, this comment was very poorly phrased.

Randy
Sincerel

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by naraht

it is now being handled in the most appropriate manner

Eh...ok

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by naraht

...there are *exactly* two groups that can decide that Delta Upsilon is stealing, the Delta Upsilon (North-America) National Board and then once they have made their decision, the Delta Upsilon (North-America) National Convention. ...

At this point, I feel that it is *no longer appropriate* for those who are not brothers of Delta Upsilon to accuse Delta Upsilon of the Philippoines of stealing, and for brothers of Delta Upsilon, they should, IMO, accept that at this point it is now being handled in the most appropriate manner, and arguments that it is not should be taken up with your national officers.

Closing thread pending a decision by DU's IHQ and/or National Convention.

[alumnisec]

For the info of all DU`s in North America and Canada,DU`s in the Philippines are already closed by the alumni officers in the Philippines.All members and officers of the 6 chapters in the Philippines had come up to a decision to respect and follow the order of the Board of Directors.Although it`s hurtful for us but we still accept that everything happens for a reason.

Our websites already closed and shut down same with all the chapters.Some chapters had change the name into another greek letters but others had transferred to other fraternities.All has it`s freedom to decide whether to remain in another greek name or another organization.

To all DU`s in US and Canada wish you all the best and farewell!!!!