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Animate · #61 09-20-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Sweet, so because injustice occurred in one situation, this violent kid should be celebrated!!! Good call. Lets have a march!

Not at all...(I love how people see what they want).

My post was in response to the post saying that basically the two fights kind of cancelled each other out. Also, in both instances a kid got beaten by a group. The difference in the extent of the charges brought were imbalanced to me.

DaemonSeid · #62 09-20-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Animate

Not at all...(I love how people see what they want).

My post was in response to the post saying that basically the two fights kind of cancelled each other out. Also, in both instances a kid got beaten by a group. The difference in the extent of the charges brought were imbalanced to me.

Like I said earlier...people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear and fail to see and read the entire thing to know what THEY NEED to know

shinerbock · #63 09-20-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Animate

Not at all...(I love how people see what they want).

My post was in response to the post saying that basically the two fights kind of cancelled each other out. Also, in both instances a kid got beaten by a group. The difference in the extent of the charges brought were imbalanced to me.

They probably were. The DA or City Attorney is probably racist.

I'm just stunned that some kids brutally beat a kid and are now being celebrated and portrayed as victims. Black people are concerned about inequitable application of justice, which could be legitimate. I'm concerned about their selective memory and history of double standards. After all, according to many at the rallies, "we gotta look after our own"...

shinerbock · #64 09-20-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Like I said earlier...people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear and fail to see and read the entire thing to know what THEY NEED to know

Yes, I'll get my objective information from you from now on, thank you, thank you.

DaemonSeid · #65 09-20-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yes, I'll get my objective information from you from now on, thank you, thank you.

thank you ....now go read.......

shinerbock · #66 09-20-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

thank you ....now go read.......

I read a lot. You're biased. Welcome to reality.

DaemonSeid · #67 09-20-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I read a lot. You're biased. Welcome to reality.

I am biased?

Prove it.

BTW I never said I play fair......then again....I think that is what today is all about huh?

Somebody didn't play fair and shenanigans was called.

Velocity_14 · #68 09-20-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

So, i searched and the only threads about this are in specific forums. i wanted to see if anyone will be attending the rally. roll call?

To answer you question Ilaria, I am in my all black and there in spirit.

>>>>>>>really want to say something but some people are not interested in getting real...just continuing to speak from a place of half-truths behind a computer in the safe haven of their home...so I'm going to cruise on down to Wollie World now(Walmart)<<<<<<<<

Keep Everyone Lifted In Prayer!

KDAngel · #69 09-20-2007, 03:02 PM

My preface to everything I'm about to say -- I'm with Obama here (which is the LAST thing you'd ever expect me to say), but this shouldn't be a black/white issue, but rather a right/wrong issue.

People talk about the jury and how people knew the DA and what not... well Jena is a town of not even 3,000 people, that's to be expected.

It is BEYOND a shame that in a case like this Bell was given a subpar public defender. I would have expected someone to step in and work pro-bono if nothing else. I'm still confused as to why this didn't happen. Yes, he has new representation now, but it's a shame he didn't get it sooner.

Bell does have a record, and while a record is not the equivalent of guilt, it doesn't sit well with me either.

Now I don't think it was right that he got beat up at a party. However, it doesn't seem to compare to the beating that Barker got. However, I'm not trying to compare wrong to wrong. No he wasn't invited to the private party, but he wasn't asking for a beating either. Then again, I'm sure there are those who'd argue that in going he doing just that. Either way, I'd imagine if he really was beaten that badly, the case wouldn't have just stopped. People can appeal cases and that's the point. If a severe injustice has been done to you, why would you just let it rest? It seems to me now that the beating from the party is being used here as evidence to say "well I was beaten too and they didn't get in this much trouble, why should I get in this much trouble for beating him?" It just doesn't work that way.

Finally, there are appeals for good reason and this case proves how valuable they are.

But the details of the case aside, I think this whole ordeal proves just how alive racism is, coming from all directions. Instead of pointing at it and drawing attention to the problem, we need to start thinking of a solution and acting on it.

shinerbock · #70 09-20-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Somebody didn't play fair and shenanigans was called.

True, they did call shenanigans, and hopefully this kid will have some time to think about playing fair...in juvenile lockup.

DaemonSeid · #71 09-20-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

True, they did call shenanigans, and hopefully this kid will have some time to think about playing fair...in juvenile lockup.

shiner...now see...we can agree on that.....as long as the punishment was fair and doled out all around TO ALL GUILTY PARTIES...that would have been ok....but 80 years and tried as and adult was ridiculous.

shinerbock · #72 09-20-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

shiner...now see...we can agree on that.....as long as the punishment was fair and doled out all around TO ALL GUILTY PARTIES...that would have been ok....but 80 years and tried as and adult was ridiculous.

You're not gonna get any argument from me that the justice has been shadily administered thus far.

My problems are:

-The "leaders" of the black community (I use this term lightly, some black people get pissed at the generalization) blowing this situation up as if a brutal white town is destroying the lives of harmless black students.

-The obvious double standard between this, Duke, the Knoxville killings, etc.

-The obvious double standard between people claiming that laws must be administered fairly, yet this white kid deserved what he got and the young men who brutally beat him shouldn't be punished (based on what you said, this wouldn't apply to you, Daemon).

Animate · #73 09-20-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

They probably were. The DA or City Attorney is probably racist.

I'm just stunned that some kids brutally beat a kid and are now being celebrated and portrayed as victims. Black people are concerned about inequitable application of justice, which could be legitimate. I'm concerned about their selective memory and history of double standards. After all, according to many at the rallies, "we gotta look after our own"...

You are right, people we shouldn't celebrate criminal acts. As far as your comment on application of justice and double standards I think that that line is EXTREMELY fine.

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Originally Posted by KDAngel

My preface to everything I'm about to say -- I'm with Obama here (which is the LAST thing you'd ever expect me to say), but this shouldn't be a black/white issue, but rather a right/wrong issue.

Correct. It shouldn't be about race. It should be right or wrong. The problem is that many black people have been shown a discrepancy when it comes to right and wrong and race is why that discrepancy occurs.

DaemonSeid · #74 09-20-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're not gonna get any argument from me that the justice has been shadily administered thus far.

My problems are:

-The "leaders" of the black community (I use this term lightly, some black people get pissed at the generalization) blowing this situation up as if a brutal white town is destroying the lives of harmless black students.

-The obvious double standard between this, Duke, the Knoxville killings, etc.

-The obvious double standard between people claiming that laws must be administered fairly, yet this white kid deserved what he got and the young men who brutally beat him shouldn't be punished (based on what you said, this wouldn't apply to you, Daemon).

nobody deserves an @sswhupping...well actually some do...but that is another thread.....heh

BUT...the point is...as they say...the punishment must fit the crime and I think what a lot of people are angry about is that one wrong caused another wrong and so forth and everyone is not getting punished for all the wrong doings going on and the ones that are are being punished far too harshly.

I mean...look at it...there is like a whole bunch of things that happened and kept on happening because obviously, there is a problem and Jena is showing us something that a lot of us in the world (and from what I said earlier this is true) know about the US....that justice peeks under that blindfold from time to time and deals out punishments unfairly.

Velocity_14 · #75 09-20-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

nobody deserves an @sswhupping...well actually some do...but that is another thread.....heh

BUT...the point is...as they say...the punishment must fit the crime and I think what a lot of people are angry about is that one wrong caused another wrong and so forth and everyone is not getting punished for all the wrong doings going on and the ones that are are being punished far too harshly.

That is EXACTLY the point and that is all there is to it!