Hazing. Is it necessary? - Page 5

jon1856 · #61 08-22-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

If you are questioning the academic integrity of the University of Texas.....then you must be severely out of the loop.

According to US News:
1.) Top 15 ranked Engineering School, (Number 1 in Petroleum Engineering)
2.) Top 15 Law School
3.) Top 20 Medical School
4.) Top 20 Business School
5.) Top 50 National University (America's Best Colleges)

The incident with SAE a couple years back, while none of your concern, was dealt with fairly easily, with little problems. Don't go by what you read on a website....thats all I am going to say.

"That web site" is an official UT page. Which is one of the reasons I asked you to explain your side of the story.

And we all are products of our life experiences. Our beliefs, our opinions, our actions et al.

If one looks at posting in GC, one can break down into almost two groups what kind of Greek life each poster had.

And yes, Greek life and the rest of School exprerinces are only part of one's life.

And your list is mostly about the Grad schools, which are a bit different from under grad.......

And to be fair here is the link for my school:
http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...1023493&LTID=1

BTB: Back in the day, UPS was listed in the top ten ( IIRC top five ) party schools by either Playboy or Esquire Mags.
Things change and evolve....as do people....life experience......

macallan25 · #62 08-22-2006, 05:23 PM

Are you kidding me man? Read number 5 please. Hell, look it up. The University of Texas...is a Top 50 National University and has been in the top 50 pretty much every year on the list of America's Best Colleges. Yes, the grad school is phenomenal......so is the undergrad...which is why I posted the overall school ranking at the end of the list.

I really can't believe you are still trying to present some kind of argument.

LaneSig · #63 08-22-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Are you kidding me man? Read number 5 please. Hell, look it up. The University of Texas...is a Top 50 National University and has been in the top 50 pretty much every year on the list of America's Best Colleges. Yes, the grad school is phenomenal......so is the undergrad...which is why I posted the overall school ranking at the end of the list.

I really can't believe you are still trying to present some kind of argument.

I don't see him questioning the academics of UTexas. He did ask what your version of the events surrounding your chapter being put on suspension by the university.
If so, just what happened from your side?

You have stated that "nothing really happened". He and others are curious to your chapters version of the events. Plain and simple.

jon1856 · #64 08-22-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Are you kidding me man? Read number 5 please. Hell, look it up.The University of Texas is a Top 50 National University and has been in the top 50 pretty much every year on the list of America's Best Colleges. Yes, the grad school is phenomenal......so is the undergrad...which is why I posted the overall school ranking at the end of the list.

I really can't believe you are still trying to present some kind of argument.

Hummmm-A story from US News mostly about Grad schools vs an offical UT school web site and http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...s/rankings.asp

http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...ankingsFAQ.asp

http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...nkingspr07.asp

on Under-grad schools.

Which is what this thread and most of GC is all about.

And just in from FOX News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209656,00.html

"It contrasts with U.S. News and World Report's annual guide to "America's Best Colleges," where UT-Austin tied with four other schools in 47th place."
"Despite those efforts, a freshman died of acute alcohol poisoning in December as a result of fraternity hazing.
Tests showed Phanta "Jack" Phoummarath's blood alcohol level was 0.50 percent, more than six times the legal limit. University officials canceled Lambda Phi Epsilon's status as a registered student organization until 2011 after an investigation found new members were expected to drink large amounts of liquor."
http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/waterc...?storyid=69676

But Brother, you at least represent yourself.

Tom Earp · #65 08-22-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Tom,

I'll go back with hopes of seeing my friends and fraternity brothers, but my loyalty to my school exceeds that which I have towards my national fraternity.

That is an intersting perspetive.

Your School Letters mean more to You than Your Brothers of Your Chapter or Fraternity?

If My Chapter was not there, I would never go back!

It is also one of the strongest Schools in it's Division.

But, if I go back to all of the games who in the heck would I know?

Who would I tailgate with and talk to?

I go back and do all of the above with My Brothers!

Oh, I also go back over to Arrrowhead, Home of KC Cheifs for the Fall Classic of The Pitt and NWMoUn.

How many Div. schools like mine play in NFL Stadiums?

shinerbock · #66 08-22-2006, 09:42 PM

Tom, notice I said national fraternity. If for some reason I ever had to make a choice between my chapter and my school, I guess I'd pick my chapter, but that would never happen as the two are so deeply intertwined. Supporting Auburn is basically one of our central core values, and I think I speak for everyone in my chapter in that I'd side with Auburn before my national HQ. Its tough to describe.

As to Jon, I'm not sure what "UG" is but I go to UGA, yes. I didn't graduate from here however.

DeltAlum · #67 08-22-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856

Does anyone there get an education? LOL ;>D

Be kind. My alma mater is on four of those six.

jon1856 · #68 08-22-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Tom, notice I said national fraternity. If for some reason I ever had to make a choice between my chapter and my school, I guess I'd pick my chapter, but that would never happen as the two are so deeply intertwined. Supporting Auburn is basically one of our central core values, and I think I speak for everyone in my chapter in that I'd side with Auburn before my national HQ. Its tough to describe.

As to Jon, I'm not sure what "UG" is but I go to UGA, yes. I didn't graduate from here however.

Thank you Shiner I corrected my slight spelling error.

Not sure just what to make of "....but I go to UGA, yes. I didn't graduate from here however".

shinerbock · #69 08-22-2006, 10:39 PM

Well, you implied that I had graduated from UGA, which I havent. At least thats how it sounded to me.

macallan25 · #70 08-22-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856

Hummmm-A story from US News mostly about Grad schools vs an offical UT school web site and http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...s/rankings.asp

http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...ankingsFAQ.asp

http://www.princetonreview.com/colle...nkingspr07.asp

on Under-grad schools.

Which is what this thread and most of GC is all about.

And just in from FOX News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209656,00.html

"It contrasts with U.S. News and World Report's annual guide to "America's Best Colleges," where UT-Austin tied with four other schools in 47th place."
"Despite those efforts, a freshman died of acute alcohol poisoning in December as a result of fraternity hazing.
Tests showed Phanta "Jack" Phoummarath's blood alcohol level was 0.50 percent, more than six times the legal limit. University officials canceled Lambda Phi Epsilon's status as a registered student organization until 2011 after an investigation found new members were expected to drink large amounts of liquor."
http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/waterc...?storyid=69676

But Brother, you at least represent yourself.

What are you trying to prove? I really don't understand you. Are you trying to discredit the rankings of the university because a kid died?

Texas is a Top 50 National University. It has been for quite a while. Grad School....I would say Top 20.

Again, what is your point with all of these Princeton Review party, drug, alcohol statistics.

Frankly, I think US News is a much more reliable source....but whatever floats your boat.

jon1856 · #71 08-22-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

What are you trying to prove? I really don't understand you. Are you trying to discredit the rankings of the university because a kid died?

Texas is a Top 50 National University. It has been for quite a while. Grad School....I would say Top 20.

Again, what is your point with all of these Princeton Review party, drug, alcohol statistics.

Frankly, I think US News is a much more reliable source....but whatever floats your boat.

Brother;
Answer the question.

And yes, I still think our little discussion here is much like a 'family' fight.

macallan25 · #72 08-22-2006, 11:42 PM

What question? If you want to know about the incident...I don't have anything to tell you. Its not something that I am going to discuss on a message board or really anyone that wasn't involved for that matter. Like I said......everything turned out just fine. No problems from my point of view.

Other than that......I don't see much of a discussion. You are posting a bunch or random stuff in what seems like some effort to discredit the academic integrity of Texas. For what reason I don't know. The simple fact is, Texas is one of the best universities (again Top 50) in the country at all levels.......

jon1856 · #73 08-22-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

What question? If you want to know about the incident...I don't have anything to tell you. Its not something that I am going to discuss on a message board or really anyone that wasn't involved for that matter. Like I said......everything turned out just fine. No problems from my point of view.

Other than that......I don't see much of a discussion. You are posting a bunch or random stuff in what seems like some effort to discredit the academic integrity of Texas. For what reason I don't know. The simple fact is, Texas is one of the best universities (again Top 50) in the country at all levels.......

Brother,
We ask because you bring up hazing activites and in some ways seem to support them.

And this thread is all about hazing.

So it does fit in.

And a word of advise from an older Brother: Never think that once you have had a problem it is all over and done with. It is a warning to never forget it or make light of it.

KTCHIO · #74 08-22-2006, 11:58 PM

We have had a lot of discussions on campus about hazing. I agree that hazing has gotten completely out of control. I have a sister who went to Vanderbilt and her friends in other sororities were forced to drink etc. and that is the problem!!!
As for quizzing the pledges (sorry "New Members") on the history of the sorority/fraternity I think it should be allowed, but hey thats one persons opinion....also we are not allowed to do scavengar hunts because they are hazing and that kinda makes me laugh (talk about a broad definition.
Hazing is not nec. though because its just like anything else theres no clear def. so we can't allow any of it...not even requiring our new members to know our chapters history!!!

macallan25 · #75 08-23-2006, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jon1856

Brother,
We ask because you bring up hazing activites and in some ways seem to support them.

And this thread is all about hazing.

So it does fit in.

And a word of advise from an older Brother: Never think that once you have had a problem it is all over and done with. It is a warning to never forget it or make light of it.

I agree with you somewhat. I do not advocate any type of hazing that involves physical abuse.....forced drinking....you know, that kind of stuff. Other things...that I have mentioned...as well as people like Shinerbock....I totally accept and think it is useful.