Formal Recruitment Suicide??? - Page 5

AOX81 · #61 06-17-2002, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by ilovemyglo
At my school suiciding is actually normal.

It's quite normal at mine too. I remember in the Fall of 1998 quota was 8 and 7 of the 8 girls on our "A" list suicided us. We only found this out because one of the Rho Chi's from another sorority made a big deal out of it. She was telling everyone that we told the girls to do this which is entirely not true.

FuzzieAlum · #62 06-17-2002, 04:12 PM

Hm, most of the snap bids I knew about went to girls who dropped out of formal rush or didn't fill out a pref card.

33girl · #63 06-17-2002, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by ilovemyglo
Oh and 33girl, my house snap bids anyone that we have found to be a suitable sister, including women that suicided other houses and we have a 99% Initiation rate for the past 4 years. Some girls are, (for lack of a better word) really DUMB about sororities until they see them outside of rush!

Please don't take what I said the wrong way - I'm talking sororities giving snap bids to women that they don't have a CLUE who they even are, just to get numbers up. If you've met them in rush and remember them and think they're cool, that's all good.

Aphigal · #64 06-17-2002, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by xok85xo
how can you snap bid a PNM who suicides?...you can only snap bid after the PNM does not match with a house, she is not on your chapter's bid list, but she puts your org down on her pref card and you have not made quota yet?

Actually that is not correct according to the Greenbook. It used to be that if a women SIP (single intentional prefereced aka "suicides") a house she was ineligible for Snap Biding an only eligible for COB. But NPC changed that a ew years ago.

As far as the pnm needing to write you down on her pref card or the pnm needing to be on your bid list it is simply not correct. Try working with you Greek Advisor or NPC Area Delegate to get the workings on your campus corrected.

I hope that helps to clear things up!

ilovemyglo · #65 06-17-2002, 10:02 PM

I wasn't trying to sound harsh, 33girl but some people think because we have bid girls that we only met the first night that we are desperate for numbers.
You also have to keep some things in mind:
like EVERY chapter, no matter how low in numbers, will not bid women that they don't want to. Yes some chapters with lower numbers do not bid the highest quality sisters, but who is to say when I joined, or you joined, or anyone else, they did not think we were lower quality sisters? Each of us has to prove it to the chapters after rush, just as much as during. Pledgeship isn't quick because of that.
I am not jumping on you, I hope it doesn't sound like it anyway. I just don't want girls to think if they get a snap bid it is because the houses are desperate. I also hate how some members of IHQs (multiple sororities that I know of) tell girls to snap bid girls that they have met, so long as they had the MINIMUM requirements, in order to make quota. I hate that. Not every girl clicks right away. Although there are those rare diamonds in the rough!

33girl · #66 06-17-2002, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by ilovemyglo
I also hate how some members of IHQs (multiple sororities that I know of) tell girls to snap bid girls that they have met, so long as they had the MINIMUM requirements, in order to make quota. I hate that.

OK, we are SOOOO on the same page with that one...

RedHotChiO sounded somewhat unhappy at the sorority that was doing this, that's why I thought it might be a situation of the other group saying "Does she have a body temperature? Does she have female organs? Cool, let's give her a bid." We too had women that the first night we met them - couldn't wait to bid them, and did! Sometimes, you just know. What I am against is chapters bidding girls that they don't like, or know, or don't care if they get to know, just for the sake of numbers. That is not what sisterhood is about.

RedHotChiO · #67 06-24-2002, 12:41 PM

What I was really trying to bring light to is why a sorority would bid a girl that has already decided that only one sorority is right for her? She has obviously considered her options and decided that she only likes one. When another sorority decides to give her a snap bid or a COB, they may like her, but she may not necessarily like them. So if this girl gets rejected from the only sorority she wants to be in, and the other sorority gives her a bid she is put in a very vulnerable position. My chapter prides itself on the fact that every girl in our chapter put Chi Omega down first. I'm just not sure I understand how a sorority would want to bid a girl who doesn't have her heart into it.

FuzzieAlum · #68 06-24-2002, 02:08 PM

Well, I think there's a long distance between them wanting your chapter first and dropping your chapter first chance they get. I know that I for one would have been perfectly contented in my second-choice sorority. (But then again, that's why I didn't suicide!)

If they dropped you right away, though, they probably really don't want you. It is possible that they will see over time that Chapter "One" won't give them the bid of their dreams, and they will find out they really fit in somewhere else - maybe your house - but at snap bid time they are still pining for that one house.

The way I look at it, any girl who ends up in Alpha Xi Delta has been granted a terrific gift. They may have dropped us because they used poor judgment, but anyone truly worthy of our sisterhood will soon realize that they're better off in AXD than anywhere else!

Not every house has the luxury of having every member desiring them first and foremost. If your chapter has that luxury, great, but lots of other chapters have to work harder to get rushees to look beyond their less-glamorous house, their smaller numbers, their willingness to accept not-gorgeous girls, their status as a local, etc., things that don't in any way make them a truly worse sisterhood.

33girl · #69 06-24-2002, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by RedHotChiO
What I was really trying to bring light to is why a sorority would bid a girl that has already decided that only one sorority is right for her?

Well of course, there are as many different answers to this as there are girls.

Two of our sisters were roomies and went through rush together. One was a legacy (thru mom) to XYZ. She suicided them and they didn't give her a bid. The other put us down first. We gave sister #1 a bid just because it was evident that she liked us and had fun with us - I think she just felt pressure from inside herself, because of her mom, to suicide XYZ. But she was more than happy with the way things turned out, and her mom was too.

DWAlphaGam · #70 08-15-2003, 09:22 AM

*bump*

Interesting read for the pnm's (and for members, as well).

trisigmaAtl · #71 08-15-2003, 05:39 PM

This is kind of weird, but i just figured out that the "other chapter"
RedHotChiO is talking about is MY chapter. I'm not offended, especially since this conversation is old and the poster is an alum, but I would like to explain the mentality of our chapter (at least from my personal point of view). Chi Omega is a great chapter on my campus, I mean GREAT. They have quality girls, they are VERY involved on campus, and they have a very desirable image nationally, (plus they always put on a killer rush). So it is inevitable that alot of girls are going to like them (as well they should), and choose to be a part of their sisterhood. they are the only chapter on campus who never has to have COB and rarely snap bids. Our sisterhood is also AWESOME (I put Sigma down first and actually quit rush the first time when they cut me), we have the highest panhellenic GPA and a very diverse membership. We are just different. We are the only Sigma chapter in GA and sometimes we do have to snap bid and COB (it's not even an issue of HAVE, it's that we want to, who doesn't want a great girl to join your group?). I can honestly say that we don't have trouble with numbers and that we do get a healthy pledge class from formal recruitment. We have and probably will again snap bid or COB a girl who has suicided another chapter if we know that she is a great girl and has something to contribute to our chapter. Even if a pnm has decided that she doesn't want us, that doesn't mean we don't want her to know that we think she's great. It's not an issue of pressuring or desperatly struggling for numbers. It's not begging for scraps (not that it was implied), if we meet a girl whom we all love, we will bid her. there are girls who suicide other chapters that we do not bid as well. it may seem that many suicides recieve snap bids from us, but that is because we are dealing with a rush pool of 30 or so and many girls who make it through the week choose to suicide. therefore, most of the girls who are eligible to even recieve a snap bid are unbidded suicides. So, it's not like we're trying to be sneaky, we're just doing what the ol' green book allows us to do to aquire new members. Again, this isn't meant to be aggressive and I have soooo much respect for the women of Chi Omega on my campus, they are my friends and deserving of praise (I promise, if I didn't like them, I would tell you). i just wanted to explain the situation from another perspective.
p.s. i also want to add a note to the pnms: just because a chapter COBs or snap bids doesn't mean it it a weak chapter, every chapter on my campus could choose to COB if it wanted (to gain at least a few members) They just choose not to. COB is a great opportunity for women who miss out on formal recruitment to become greek

I know, cuz I COBed!!!!!

DWAlphaGam · #72 08-16-2003, 10:26 AM

Great post, trisigmaAtl! I agree, I don't think that chapters should feel embarassed to snap bid or COB women that they truly want as part of their chapter. You wouldn't offer a bid to a woman you didn't want, and I think snap bidded women who suicided another house should think about the fact that this chapter can overlook their initial decision and give them a second chance at sisterhood. (BTW, I was COB'd, too!

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