Depression (the disease, not the economy)

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is for the purpose of this discussion.

I know the fundamentals of mental and emotional health. What I said pertains to the normalization of disorders. Thanks.

But people are not statistically normalizing their mental health conditions... There is not enough power to do that...

What they are doing is RATIONALIZING the reasons for their behavior as manifested on the internet...

What they will find is that in an unsupported environment that will make them feel worse. And changing that environment is futile...

So, they can take their toys elsewhere, since they cannot play in this cat poop sandbox...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Lawd, Monet, we clearly aren't talking about the same thing right now. Okay?



This is your soapbox. Not mine.

Remember, you chose to engage in a conversation with me, when I repeatedly asked you not to do so...

As such, you got yourself into this logic hole, and I do think we are discussing the topic about how people with mental health conditions ought not post their mental health issues on GC and how it is "SHOULD" be a "normal topic of discussion on GC"...

Why be "normal"?

Anyhow, I don't have to comment to demean your "soapbox", you do that well enough alone...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Remember, you chose to engage in a conversation with me, when I repeatedly asked you not to do so...

Well, idiot, that post you responded to was not to you.

So you can create your own logic hole but we still won't be talking about the same thing. Run along.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, idiot, that post you responded to was not to you.

So you can create your own logic hole but we still won't be talking about the same thing. Run along.

Le sign... Why I care, one will never know? I do not need a catpoop filled sandbox to be a Ruler, unlike others do... Calling you names is so puerile... Who could ask any more of you? LOL..

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hey, just a reminder of where we stand. Now that we've established that:

I was never talking about statistical normalization and the divulging of on GC. I was talking about the flipside of "deviance," which is the perception of normalcy based on factors such as the real or perceived prevalance of disorders in the population and (sub)cultural norms of disorders. Afterall, there are people who don't take care of their physical health because they think it's "normal" to be overweight and to have "sugar."

First, your disdain for my experience is obvious... The "Deviance" you are talking about is "violation" of cultural normalcy and criminality... People who suffer from mental health conditions are not violating cultural norms or are not all criminals. They are sick just like someone who has cancer or heart disease. The PERCEPTIONS that people have on the mentally ill are inaccurate. The PERCEPTIONS of normalcy that mental illness sufferers to have are not about "deviance"... And I have told you this before...

Second, yes, I understood your posted concept. You choose to ignore what I say because you hate what I say... You choose to be antagonistic that is disrespectful. And while you may disagree with my thoughts and opinions, which is your prerogative, choosing to call me names only shows more of your faulty logic.

Third, I know a smidgen about physical health, obesity and diabetes in your analogy... And I know something about mental health, too... So, my opinions are professional. I am too old and tired of battling people's arrogance here on GC. I just cannot do it anymore. I am who I say I am. I don't change my username. I don't hide behind other members being my proponents. I am a bad liar, so I don't do it...

Sorry I am "deviating" for what you consider the normal course of health actions, but it is just not "cool" or "hip" or whatever colloquialism that is used today, to say these things to me when you have not tried to even get to know me personally...

So, please, just do not engage in conversation with me. You are not a person who I would choose to share discourse. Nothing you say is positive to me and it hurts more than it heals. Nothing and no one, is going to change my mind about it, especially after the training I had after last weekend.

We all will be much better off... Thanks...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

And I have told you this before...

You can't "tell" me anything just as I can't "tell" you to subscribe to (or even understand the different applications of, based on your post) the "deviance" approach to mental health. More than that, you are still missing what I am saying so I wasted my time in explaining it.

Suffice it to say, 99% of what you posted is based on faulty assumptions and delusions of grandeur. You aren't the only one with professional experience and opinions in this thread.

I called you an idiot for the same reason you're going on a tangent about arrogance and usernames right now. You think it applies. I sometimes read your posts and wonder if you're in the same discussion that everyone else is.

[Senusret I]

It's a lot less stupid to put someone on "Ignore" if they vex you.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You are talking about the stigma of mental illness, and the awareness of it.

There are other places, than GC, to discuss these topics. The reasons are legion. But, I think the compelling reason is that if you are going to discuss these thing online anyways, do it with more supportive people than GC people... Seriously...

Seriously... GC is NOT a support group. There is no group therapy here. I am sorry that hurts, but, in fact, it incites cyberbullying in its truest form. Other sites do worse.

So, to save the trials and corrections to your own psyche, it is just wiser to limit that discussion on GC...

Correct on one point, Monet. I was talking about the stigmatization of mental health and mental illness and it's awareness.

However, I wasn't responding to Hot Damn for the purpose of having a support group. If I wanted a support group, I'd go to the local hospital/MHMR center and join one.

Simply put, Hot Damn asked a question about depression and I simply responded to it. If your feelings were hurt by my response, hey, what I learned in my studies 101, I cannot control your feelings, only my own.
I don't have a problem in talking about mental health/illness issues. Whether they affect you personally or not, then that's simply on you. For me, they are a part of my life and it's something that I know and have learned how to deal with. If someone feels that they can get some support from learning on how to deal with their mental health/illness issues based on what I've learned or gone through, then great! That is simply the process of growing up and learning how to deal with their problems and themselves.

If you felt that it was something that shouldn't have been discussed or talked about, then what was the need for you to respond.

I fully know that GC damn sure ain't no site for getting the mental health/illness' needs and issues met. This is the LAST PLACE ON EARTH where one would expect this to occur. Again, if someone can gain help from what I have gone through, I am happy as a mushroom in cowshit!

[Senusret I]

libramunoz, you be KILLIN me with the colorful metaphors!

[DrPhil]

Oh noooooooo, a mushroom in cowshit!!! LOL

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, they aren't normal. That's the whole point of seeking treatment. This is one reason why (in my off-internet interactions) I tell people that we have to understand the various outcomes of normalizing what are considered forms of "deviance." There are a number of reasons why people don't seek help. One of them is that when you discuss something to the point where it is normalized, there is always the possibility that many will say "a large percentage of adults have depression/a mental disorder/suicidal ideation...I'm pretty normal so I'm content with that and won't waste time seeking help."

So when discussing such matters and building a sense of comradere, you don't want to normalize it to the point where the "seek help outside of this message board" option loses its appeal.

That's one of the differences between discussing forms of birth control that you use on here (which I wouldn't do but others choose to) and talking about mental and emotional health.

Dang Doc, go away for a few hours to eat dinner and talk with moms and you and Monet get into it!
No Seriously, I'd have to disagree with you on this. Many people that have mental health illness'/issues are very normal. Matter of fact, many of them are living with it on a daily basis. They may not say jack diddly squat about it and you'd see them everyday and would never know.
Some people are just more open to talking about it and would tell you, maybe in conversation, maybe in passing, or you'd hear about it in "gossip" that they have depression, schizophrenia, OCD, ect. You may see them taking medicine and just have taken a sinus pill that day and inadvertently ask them about the color of their meds and how it reminds you about taking your sinus pill that morning and they tell you, "oh no, this is for my depression, my (fill in the blank)" and they move on to the rest of their day and you think "wow, you never woulda thought that he/she/it had that" and move on as well.
I think it's when one sees the "deviant behavior" execude itself into societal norms that the illness of mental health becomes "scary" or "frightening." When one sees the "effect" of another persons mental health breakdown in public, this is when those deemed as "socially acceptable" mental health issues becomes stimagitized and those people seemed to be deemed "freaks" or "weird."
For those that know or feel that they have a mental health issue, on the general whole, they tend to seek help/advice when it's acting out or when they feel it is impeding their daily life. However, those that have suicidial ideations, generally they KNOW that they need help. For this group, the sad part is the 1 to 5% of the population that don't get the help and committ the act because they felt that they COULDN'T talk to anyone about it because they felt there was NO help for them.
But I feel that if this is something that is brought out more into the open, then people will be more willing to seek the help that they need in order to continue to help themselves and help those around them help themselves as well.
I can understand what you are saying that people would come here first before they sought the help that the needed for themselves. But on the general, I think folks know this damng sure aint' the place to get help for a rather serious mental health issue.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Oh noooooooo, a mushroom in cowshit!!! LOL

I have my moments from time to time.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

libramunoz, you be KILLIN me with the colorful metaphors!

Sometimes I try, sometimes I don't and they just come.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

Sometimes I try, sometimes I don't and they just come.

You = hilarious.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You can't "tell" me anything just as I can't "tell" you to subscribe to (or even understand the different applications of, based on your post) the "deviance" approach to mental health. More than that, you are still missing what I am saying so I wasted my time in explaining it.

Suffice it to say, 99% of what you posted is based on faulty assumptions and delusions of grandeur. You aren't the only one with professional experience and opinions in this thread.

I called you an idiot for the same reason you're going on a tangent about arrogance and usernames right now. You think it applies. I sometimes read your posts and wonder if you're in the same discussion that everyone else is.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Seriously, and I'm being serious, I did not mean to prompt a breakdown on your part, AKA Monet.

The who, what, where, what, and why of discussions of mental health are components of the aforementioned myths, fears, cultural competencies, ignorances, etc. I never said this stuff was in isolation. For the purposes of this discussion, I was simply talking about the discussion of such matters and the different ways it can impact seeking treatment. I am not sure where you were going with that because you had a few ideas that steered from my point--and that's how dialogue between you and me often goes.

@the bolded. Those are trigger words and phrases. Who can effectively communicate when you are calling people names and putting them people down? Why would I want to defend myself against those comments? So what? Will people think of me any differently or like me more (or less)? No. So, you are entitled to YOUR opinion, but that is a wholly inaccurate description of me. You can disagree with my opinions, that is fine... But belittling because you choose not to understand them, is your choice. I can be crystal clear as water from the tap, you will still use trigger words and phrases against me belittling me publicly--for what reason, IDK? I guess you get your rocks off about it, I guess I make you day to triumph over me... IDK? But I don't have to belittle others when I want to feel better about myself... I guess that is the difference between you and me?

Now I can use all kinds of profane language with epithets... But, what's the point? That is why it is better to avoid each other, because I cannot see the helping or healing here? People will do whatever they want to do, ultimately, even after pointing out the error of their ways...

@the underlined. Yes, I knew that was your point. You assume that I missed that. I did not. I thought my posts reflected what you were saying. Apparently, you did not think so. You would know that if you did not try so hard to dismiss and discredit me. But, that's fine... I understand you have to find someone to scapegoat...