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Old 05-07-2008, 11:18 AM
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ALL of this is clouded with an "I think". None of us know. It's all opinion. Her opinion (as I've gathered from her own posts) is that men are strictly visual. I even said that her words SUGGEST that men are strictly visual (no where in this whole mess of a thread did I ever say she came right out and said it - it's suggested, or implied).

I think she's wrong.

And I think this thread's a hellamess, so I'm bowing out.
I know that actually may be a good idea right now...
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:08 PM
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I never said men weren't visual. CG indicated that the one cause of sexual attraction for men is visually related. She then indicated that, for women, it's more complicated than that.

My point was simply that, even though men are indeed more visual than women, it's insulting to men to suggest that the only thing that makes a woman attractive to them is her looks. As if to say that women consider all kinds of things (attractiveness, communication skills, etc...) but men consider only one.

I agree that men are more visual than women, but I don't think that's all there is to it for men.
Sydney, men are visual by nature. I don't think cheers meant it to be "the one cause". I think what you wanted her to say was "more" visual, which probably would have been a more appropriate way of putting it. Either way, you have to understand that men are straight up visual beings. Do some men want an emotional connection to women? Yes. For me, as well as for other men, we have to have a serious commitment with one woman in order to be sexually satisfied, but the bottom line is the visual stands out more than anything else. I'm not speaking of the low down jokers who can't or won't commit to ONE woman. Those jokers just want women to use their panties as ankle warmers, so to me they're pointless and not worth talking about.

I was trying to avoid breaking down how we think graphically, but I think it might be best, because it might help you understand us men better. Moderators if you have to delete this post, I'll understand, but I'm only trying to help.

SydneyK, because of sperm production and other factors, men naturally desire a sexual release about every 3 days or so. Some feel this need as often as every couple of days. Others experience it less. While the frequency of the need varies from man to man, each one has his own sexual cycle in which he experiences these physical desires. We receive sexual gratification through our eyes. We don't need a date, and we don't ever need to wait. We have our eyes, which we can use to take in sexual gratification at any time. We're turned on by female nudity in any way, shape, or form. We're not picky either. It can come in a photograph of a nude stranger just as easily as in a romantic interlude with a naked girlfriend. It's almost like we have a visual ignition switch when it comes to viewing the female anatomy. Women seldom understand this because they aren't sexually stimulated in the same way we are. A lot of women view this visual aspect of our sexuality as low down, shallow and dirty, but it's not. It's how we're made.

When it comes to having an orgasm, our minds are on one thing. The actual physical act of sex with the woman. It's that simple. For women, (and I may be wrong here) but for women, orgasm is probably 10% physical and 90% mental. If a man is trying to please his woman, he can forget about it if her mind is a million miles away. For men it's all physical, but generally women need to focus mentally on the sexual experience in order to receive ultimate sexual pleasure.

Sex is a cyclical need for men, meaning, we want it all the time, or whenever we can get it. Hell, we don't even have to look at a woman to get an erection. We can think it, it doesn't take long. Now, women have their own unique cycle. Although physical pleasure may not be a cyclical need for them like it is in men, women long for attention and affection on a regular recurring basis. For example, just as a man would become far more vurnerable to physically cheating if his woman rarely responded to his physical needs for a sexual release, a woman becomes far more vurnerable to physically cheating when her emotional needs are neglected over and over again. When a woman cheats, most often than not, it begins as emotional cheating. A woman's emotional needs are just as vitally important to her as a man's physical needs are to him. I'm not disagreeing with you when you said it's more than that, because for some men it is more than that. The bottom line is for the men who want a long term commitment, we're still visual and want sex on a recurring basis, but of course always with the same woman over and over again.

If you're currently in a relationship or married, I wish you the best. If you're single, good luck with your dating.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:24 PM
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Now...interestingly last night, in a show I was recording...someone asked me how I feel about women in provocative clothing...so..let me pass that question on to you all...doesx provocative dress 'provoke' us? How? Why?

Does it take away from men wanting to more about the woman mentally?
I don't like it when women wear provocative clothing. That's not a decent woman to me. I think this is an attempt to attract men, and sometimes it attracts the wrong men. To me, a woman of sexual integrity doesn't dress to seek male attention, but she doesn't limit herself to a wardrobe of ankle length dresses either. She may dress fashionably and look sharp or may even appear sexy, but her motivation isn't self seeking or seductive. She presents herself as an attractive woman in a respectful way.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:27 PM
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Humans are visual.

Studies have not found conclusively that humans who are biologically male, and gendered as boys or men, are inherently (read: born--before socialization) more visual.

That's all.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:33 PM
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SydneyK, because of sperm production and other factors, men naturally desire a sexual release about every 3 days or so. Some feel this need as often as every couple of days. Others experience it less. While the frequency of the need varies from man to man, each one has his own sexual cycle in which he experiences these physical desires. We receive sexual gratification through our eyes. We don't need a date, and we don't ever need to wait. We have our eyes, which we can use to take in sexual gratification at any time. We're turned on by female nudity in any way, shape, or form. We're not picky either. It can come in a photograph of a nude stranger just as easily as in a romantic interlude with a naked girlfriend. It's almost like we have a visual ignition switch when it comes to viewing the female anatomy. Women seldom understand this because they aren't sexually stimulated in the same way we are. A lot of women view this visual aspect of our sexuality as low down, shallow and dirty, but it's not. It's how we're made.

When it comes to having an orgasm, our minds are on one thing. The actual physical act of sex with the woman. It's that simple. For women, (and I may be wrong here) but for women, orgasm is probably 10% physical and 90% mental. If a man is trying to please his woman, he can forget about it if her mind is a million miles away. For men it's all physical, but generally women need to focus mentally on the sexual experience in order to receive ultimate sexual pleasure.

Sex is a cyclical need for men, meaning, we want it all the time, or whenever we can get it. Hell, we don't even have to look at a woman to get an erection. We can think it, it doesn't take long. Now, women have their own unique cycle. Although physical pleasure may not be a cyclical need for them like it is in men, women long for attention and affection on a regular recurring basis. For example, just as a man would become far more vurnerable to physically cheating if his woman rarely responded to his physical needs for a sexual release, a woman becomes far more vurnerable to physically cheating when her emotional needs are neglected over and over again. When a woman cheats, most often than not, it begins as emotional cheating. A woman's emotional needs are just as vitally important to her as a man's physical needs are to him. I'm not disagreeing with you when you said it's more than that, because for some men it is more than that. The bottom line is for the men who want a long term commitment, we're still visual and want sex on a recurring basis, but of course always with the same woman over and over again.

Eh...this is the worst men's sexuality/sex ed lecture I've read or heard.

I have found that many men know as little about what makes them "tick" as many women know about what makes men "tick." Of course it sounds good for men to think and say that they are visually and sexually driven creatues with this inherent NEED. That solidifies gendered norms of males being systematic, rational, and purpose-driven---even if their actions appear completely irrational. Meanwhile, in all of this, women somehow remain the emotional ones whose actions are expressive and therefore have an opposite motivation than men's actions.

Yikes.

ETA: With exception for individual variation, all humans have the potential to be turned on by nudity. And, no, men are not turned on by ANY female nudity. Men are picky. To believe that they (including YOU) are not is to assume something about biological maleness that has yet to proven true. And reduces grown ass men to 1 year olds who are just discovering their penises exists.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:42 PM
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While a man needs mental, emotional, and spiritual connection, his physical needs tend to be what stand out, and his other needs don't stand out as much. The reverse is true for women.
It's great when men acknowledge the mental, emotional, and the spiritual. Those are obvious needs for all humans.

How much these stand out as compared to physical needs is largely about socialization and choice. Women's needs are only the reverse for the same reasons. Women who are driven by the physical more than the mental, emotional, and the spiritual are examples of that.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:48 PM
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Eh...this is the worst men's sexuality/sex ed lecture I've read or heard.

I have found that many men know as little about what makes them "tick" as many women know about what makes men "tick." Of course it sounds good for men to think and say that they are visually and sexually driven creatues with this inherent NEED. That solidifies gendered norms of males being systematic, rational, and purpose-driven---even if their actions appear completely irrational. Meanwhile, in all of this, women somehow remain the emotional ones whose actions are expressive and therefore have an opposite motivation than men's actions.

Yikes.

ETA: With exception for individual variation, all humans have the potential to be turned on by nudity. And, no, men are not turned on by ANY female nudity. Men are picky. To believe that they (including YOU) are not is to assume something about biological maleness that has yet to proven true. And reduces grown ass men to 1 year olds who are just discovering their penises exists.
Walks away kickin' rocks.

Seriously. I agree with you partially, women and men are very different from one another, and we don't know every that makes the other tick, but you don't agree that men are visual by nature?
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:51 PM
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Walks away kickin' rocks.

Seriously. I agree with you partially, women and men are very different from one another, and we don't know every that makes the other tick, but you don't agree that men are visual by nature?
Not "very different" but there are some differences. If you created a list of differences between men and women, I would erase most of them. I think you missed the sarcasm in my post.

And where the differences come from (inherent vs. social) is what most people are confused about.

I hope this part of your post is rhetorical.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:00 PM
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Walks away kickin' rocks.

Seriously. I agree with you partially, women and men are very different from one another, and we don't know every that makes the other tick, but you don't agree that men are visual by nature?
Sure men are visual, but the point was that we ALL are. it doesnt have to be a contest of who's more visual. A half-nekkid man should get similar response from a woman as a man should towards a half-nekkid woman. of course all parties being normal sexual beings and hetero...
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It's great when men acknowledge the mental, emotional, and the spiritual. Those are obvious needs for all humans.

How much these stand out as compared to physical needs is largely about socialization and choice. Women's needs are only the reverse for the same reasons. Women who are driven by the physical more than the mental, emotional, and the spiritual are examples of that.
I believe that there are four distinct components that comprise our sexuality. The four components are the mental, physical, spiritual and emotional dimensions of our being. To me, these four parts combine to form the unique individual that we're designed to be. Like I said above. Some men are strictly physical, but some, like me need more. In a relationship our sexuality is not just limited to the physical. We're all sexual beings, wheter we have sex or not. We were sexual the day we were conceived. I think by definition, our sexuality is not what we do. Even people who are committed to celibacy are sexual beings. Our sexuality is who we are and we're made with a body, mind, heart and spirit. Therefore sexual integrity is not just about physical chastity. It's about purity in all four aspects of our being. When all four aspects line up perfectly, it reflects balance and integrity. I mentioned men are visual, but for some, like myself we want more, but I still believe the visual in men are in the drivers seat. The rest rides in the back seat.
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Sure men are visual, but the point was that we ALL are. it doesnt have to be a contest of who's more visual. A half-nekkid man should get similar response from a woman as a man should towards a half-nekkid woman. of course all parties being normal sexual beings and hetero...
Yes.

BTW, I'm lightweight "offended" that PrettyBoy missed the sarcasm in my post. Does he think that men are rational and instrumental and that women are emotional (and irrational) and expressive in what they do? God bless.

BTW2, I have given people exercises on (race and) gender differences. I asked them to list what makes (racial groups and) men/women gender groupings different from each other. The responses are interesting and some of them were perceived biological differences between males and females, as well as social differences. But people confused the biological with the social.
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We're all sexual beings, whether we have sex or not.

Yes.

But what you were asserting earlier were sex and gender differences.
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I hope this part of your post is rhetorical.
No, it wasn't.
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No, it wasn't.
Did you read my post?
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Yes.

BTW, I'm lightweight "offended" that PrettyBoy missed the sarcasm in my post. Does he think that men are rational and instrumental and that women are emotional (and irrational) and expressive in what they do? God bless.

BTW2, I have given people exercises on (race and) gender differences. I asked them to list what makes (racial groups and) men/women gender groupings different from each other. The responses are interesting and some of them were perceived biological differences between males and females, as well as social differences. But people confused the biological with the social.
that's what i was getting at in my head... i havent read the whole thread but im sure this has been pointed out. sex DNE gender. and i really hope PB doesnt think that "most men" are visual and that he is the exception to the "rule" by needing more than that. bah, whatever, at some point we ALL need those things. no one person (man or woman) can go on just on visual attraction.
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