Visiting Chapters Thread

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by catiebug

And without your founders, you would not have your chapter.

QED

You're right.

What does that have anything to do with brotherhood in my chapter though?

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

We've gotten into this before about my (and a few other guys on the board) opinions on nationals. Nationals are only worth it for the insurance. If we could figure out how to make it just as cheap, we would likely break away. Nationals is a waste of space otherwise. Nothing further needs to be said because it's off topic.

Well, there are plentys of lcoals out there which shows if you really wanted to it could be done. How would you alumni view that though?

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

In my opinion, that makes them the founders of the organization.

They have great ideals which lay the foundation, but they're not my brothers in any sense that the guys in my chapter are.

I really don't understand the love-affair between Greek-Chat and the national organization.

Interesting. A lot of people are attacking you for this view...but go into the Sorority Recruitment forum and you'll see people saying a hundred times over that "people join sororities for the people, not for the motto/ideals/philanthropy".

So, by that standard, it's perfectly acceptable to not consider your founders or other chapter's members a part of your organization - you did not join for them, you joined for the people who were in it at your time.

It just strikes me as interesting because people are getting all upset over this, but yet why does it matter how someone feels towards his nationals if people are going to say it's only the people that matter?

..I hope that made sense.

[AOE2AlphaPhi]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Interesting. A lot of people are attacking you for this view...but go into the Sorority Recruitment forum and you'll see people saying a hundred times over that "people join sororities for the people, not for the motto/ideals/philanthropy".

So, by that standard, it's perfectly acceptable to not consider your founders or other chapter's members a part of your organization - you did not join for them, you joined for the people who were in it at your time.

It just strikes me as interesting because people are getting all upset over this, but yet why does it matter how someone feels towards his nationals if people are going to say it's only the people that matter?

..I hope that made sense.

If it were only the people that matter, then you wouldn't have to join a GLO with ritual and tradition--just a club with people you like would be enough.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Interesting. A lot of people are attacking you for this view...but go into the Sorority Recruitment forum and you'll see people saying a hundred times over that "people join sororities for the people, not for the motto/ideals/philanthropy".

So, by that standard, it's perfectly acceptable to not consider your founders or other chapter's members a part of your organization - you did not join for them, you joined for the people who were in it at your time.

It just strikes me as interesting because people are getting all upset over this, but yet why does it matter how someone feels towards his nationals if people are going to say it's only the people that matter?

..I hope that made sense.

I'll agree that almost everyone who joins an NIC or NPC GLO chooses which one to join based on which chapter at their school is the best fit for their personality. However, what [most] members learn and come to appreciate is that they joined an organization so much bigger than their cohort of friends, an organization that has continued for many years, and will continue for many more. That's the difference between a fraternity/sorority and a clique. Some people realize how special it is to join a GLO even as potential members, but the rest will realize it later, maybe after initiation, maybe after meeting members of another chapter at Founders' Day, maybe after attending Convention, etc. I guess there are some who don't realize it at all.

ETA: Probably 99.999% of GLO members are closest to members from their chapter from when they were in school. It would be silly to expect a member to be BFF with a brother/sister they've never talked to/met, and I'd think that most members would be courteous and respectful to brothers/sisters they are meeting for the first time. What I was criticizing was a perceived air of superiority of a poster's chapter over other chapters and the national organization collectively.

[nittanyalum]

Sorry to hear you needed to go to a funeral, SEC, they're never easy, but they're extra tough around holidays. And I hope you get back and find your house still standing; I didn't realize it was this weekend they wanted to visit, it does seem odd they'd pick Easter weekend... it was nice of your chapter to let them stay.

[bowsandtoes]

There are people outside of my organization who know about our handshake, ritual, etc. Does that mean we share a bond of brotherhood? Or do I just need to send a check to nationals to be called 'brother'? Look at the criteria you people are using to qualify 'brotherhood', it's absurd.

I understand that these organizations are hypothetically supposed to have a set of uniform principles that members adhere to, but let's be honest, how true is that? Does every member of every chapter of your organization have the same standards of morals as you? What about political or idealogical views?

[Elephant Walk]

The funny thing is, in bashing me for not seeking "international brotherhood" through visiting brothers they devalue their own brotherhood and thus would come under question the farce of their own brotherhood.

If you truly find brotherhood in people you have never met, is your brotherhood worth anything anyways?

Wow...you "fratty" types are really stuck on yourselves. Good luck with all that.

PS- You're not better then everyone else and people make fun of you just like you make fun of the "gel heads". What a tiny little isolated wolrd you live in.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by PhiKapSkulls

Wow...you "fratty" types are really stuck on yourselves. God luck with all that.

How exactly are "we" (I use the term pretty loosely because I don't know what a "fratty type" is) stuck on ourselves? I'd be glad to know.

PS- You're not better then everyone else and people make fun of you just like you make fun of the "geldheads". What a tiny little isolated wolrd you live in.

Nowhere have I claimed I'm better than anyone else.

Inferiority complex much?

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Inferiority complex much?

I'm not the one talking/bragging about tiers and dressing "fratty" and how my chapter is so much better then everyone else. So, how has the inferioirty complex? Hmmm..that'd be you.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by PhiKapSkulls

I'm not the one talking/bragging about tiers and dressing "fratty" and how my chapter is so much better then everyone else. So, how has the inferioirty complex? Hmmm..that'd be you.

Bragging about tiers? In which way? That doesn't even make sense. In fact I degraded my University because I don't think it's all that good for Greek-life compared to the other Universities in the South. I would like to understand how that's "bragging" about anything

Even further I don't brag about dressing "fratty". It's just how someone is suppose to dress. It's not bragging. Just traditional. Normal.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by PhiKapSkulls

Wow...you "fratty" types are really stuck on yourselves. God luck with all that.

PS- You're not better then everyone else and people make fun of you just like you make fun of the "geldheads". What a tiny little isolated wolrd you live in.

You know what. You can go f**k yourself. There are basically what? Two or three of us in this thread that have had to pretty much constantly defend ourselves from the ignorant, unwarranted, bullshit claims that people like you make.

Once again, I want to know, how do I not "get brotherhood". How does EW not "get" brotherhood. You obviously haven't read a damn word I have said.

What have I said that would indicate that I think I'm "better" than everyone else. I have calmly and coherently addressed everything that has been said to me, whether legitimate or not......and all you can do is this? Tell me that I'm "stuck" on myself? I don't give a flying shit if people make fun of me....that's their problem.

While you're at it, tell me about this isolated little world I live in. Please, I want to hear about it. You are obviously man enough to talk shit on a message board.....how about you substantiate your claims.

If not then you can take your comments and shove them up your a**.

PS - While you're at it, learn how to spell. If you are going to feed me a bunch of insulting garbage, at least appear to be educated.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by macallan25

While you're at it, tell me about this isolated little world I live in. Please, I want to hear about it. You are obviously man enough to talk shit on a message board.....how about you substantiate your claims.

The problem is, we'll likely never hear from him again in something similar to a hit-and-run.

Whatever. Making ad hominem attacks is something that is a specialty here.

Originally Posted by macallan25

PS - While you're at it, learn how to spell. If you are going to feed me a bunch of insulting garbage, at least appear to be educated.

Yeah, because I care so much about something I typed to 2 minutes in response to insignificant little piss ants like yourself who live in a little, isolated, parochial, self delusional world. You fratty types are not worth the effort of spell check.