Visiting Chapters Thread

[Elephant Walk]

Wow is all I can say. Why don't you ask your nationals those questions and see what they say??? They would be hugely dissapointed that you have to even ask. You just truly don't get brotherhood (at least on a national level).

We've gotten into this before about my (and a few other guys on the board) opinions on nationals. Nationals are only worth it for the insurance. If we could figure out how to make it just as cheap, we would likely break away. Nationals is a waste of space otherwise. Nothing further needs to be said because it's off topic.

I have to ask - since you seem to feel this way about those who are members of your fraternity but not in your chapter, do you feel the same way toward your founders?

Your founders did not participate in your pledgeship. Your founders did not live with you for five or six years.

What does that make them?

In my opinion, that makes them the founders of the organization.

They have great ideals which lay the foundation, but they're not my brothers in any sense that the guys in my chapter are.

I really don't understand the love-affair between Greek-Chat and the national organization.

[catiebug]

And without your founders, you would not have your chapter.

QED

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

In my opinion, that makes them the founders of the organization.

They have great ideals which lay the foundation, but they're not my brothers in any sense that the guys in my chapter are.

I really don't understand the love-affair between Greek-Chat and the national organization.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by catiebug

And without your founders, you would not have your chapter.

QED

You're right.

What does that have anything to do with brotherhood in my chapter though?

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

We've gotten into this before about my (and a few other guys on the board) opinions on nationals. Nationals are only worth it for the insurance. If we could figure out how to make it just as cheap, we would likely break away. Nationals is a waste of space otherwise. Nothing further needs to be said because it's off topic.

Well, there are plentys of lcoals out there which shows if you really wanted to it could be done. How would you alumni view that though?

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

In my opinion, that makes them the founders of the organization.

They have great ideals which lay the foundation, but they're not my brothers in any sense that the guys in my chapter are.

I really don't understand the love-affair between Greek-Chat and the national organization.

Interesting. A lot of people are attacking you for this view...but go into the Sorority Recruitment forum and you'll see people saying a hundred times over that "people join sororities for the people, not for the motto/ideals/philanthropy".

So, by that standard, it's perfectly acceptable to not consider your founders or other chapter's members a part of your organization - you did not join for them, you joined for the people who were in it at your time.

It just strikes me as interesting because people are getting all upset over this, but yet why does it matter how someone feels towards his nationals if people are going to say it's only the people that matter?

..I hope that made sense.

[AOE2AlphaPhi]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Interesting. A lot of people are attacking you for this view...but go into the Sorority Recruitment forum and you'll see people saying a hundred times over that "people join sororities for the people, not for the motto/ideals/philanthropy".

So, by that standard, it's perfectly acceptable to not consider your founders or other chapter's members a part of your organization - you did not join for them, you joined for the people who were in it at your time.

It just strikes me as interesting because people are getting all upset over this, but yet why does it matter how someone feels towards his nationals if people are going to say it's only the people that matter?

..I hope that made sense.

If it were only the people that matter, then you wouldn't have to join a GLO with ritual and tradition--just a club with people you like would be enough.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Interesting. A lot of people are attacking you for this view...but go into the Sorority Recruitment forum and you'll see people saying a hundred times over that "people join sororities for the people, not for the motto/ideals/philanthropy".

So, by that standard, it's perfectly acceptable to not consider your founders or other chapter's members a part of your organization - you did not join for them, you joined for the people who were in it at your time.

It just strikes me as interesting because people are getting all upset over this, but yet why does it matter how someone feels towards his nationals if people are going to say it's only the people that matter?

..I hope that made sense.

I'll agree that almost everyone who joins an NIC or NPC GLO chooses which one to join based on which chapter at their school is the best fit for their personality. However, what [most] members learn and come to appreciate is that they joined an organization so much bigger than their cohort of friends, an organization that has continued for many years, and will continue for many more. That's the difference between a fraternity/sorority and a clique. Some people realize how special it is to join a GLO even as potential members, but the rest will realize it later, maybe after initiation, maybe after meeting members of another chapter at Founders' Day, maybe after attending Convention, etc. I guess there are some who don't realize it at all.

ETA: Probably 99.999% of GLO members are closest to members from their chapter from when they were in school. It would be silly to expect a member to be BFF with a brother/sister they've never talked to/met, and I'd think that most members would be courteous and respectful to brothers/sisters they are meeting for the first time. What I was criticizing was a perceived air of superiority of a poster's chapter over other chapters and the national organization collectively.