Question about Asian GLOs

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by exlurker
DeltaSigStan, in my experience, those kinds of "preppy rich white folks" were perfectly capable of acting the same way toward non-preppy, non-rich white people, too. Not all of the rich or preppy ones, by any means, but some.

Oh if it sounded like I was blanketing all white people who had that fortunate upbringing, then I'm sorry for misinterpeting.

Believe me, I have plenty of "preppy rich white" friends in many diff facets of my life. My big brother's family happend to be the richest in his town. The difference is, just like you said, how they treat people who weren't raised that way, like myself.

Ironically, this mostly pertains to the greek life here..... Most non-greeks who come from a well-off famioly I know aren't like that, as a matter of fact.

[Tom Earp]

DeltaSigStan/Taualumna,

no matter what You say, it seems strarang21 and dstchaos will have a rebuttle by calling people idiots or degrading anyone they dont care for or have the same beleifs.

But, there are others on GC who enjoy "Discussing" the different GLOs and Learning what many do not know, but want to act like they do.

Stan/Taualumna, I would enjoy anytime sitting with You over a toddy!

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
DeltaSigStan/Taualumna,

no matter what You say, it seems strarang21 and dstchaos will have a rebuttle by calling people idiots or degrading anyone they dont care for or have the same beleifs.

But, there are others on GC who enjoy "Discussing" the different GLOs and Learning what many do not know, but want to act like they do.

Stan/Taualumna, I would enjoy anytime sitting with You over a toddy!

Tom, I've found DST and starangs info on this topic very intriguing, and has shed new light on my view of the "hardships" and stereotypes of Asian Americans.

You're welcome to insert an opinion as long as you can back it up at least with personal experience. I've learned Earpspeak, so I'm pretty sure I can translate.

[Tom Earp]

Stan, the invite for a TODDY Still stands!

PM Me and I will give You Jon Sagaras LXA Web site. He has done a heck of a job!

I dont mind people asking about Information of any Greeks, but when it becomes degrading, then I have a problem.

I feel I have one of the finest Greek Organizations, but I also know There are many others who feel the same about thiers and they are right!

When did any Greek Organization become bad?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Tom, I've found DST and starangs info on this topic very intriguing, and has shed new light on my view of the "hardships" and stereotypes of Asian Americans.

You're welcome to insert an opinion as long as you can back it up at least with personal experience. I've learned Earpspeak, so I'm pretty sure I can translate.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
no matter what You say, it seems strarang21 and dstchaos will have a rebuttle by calling people idiots or degrading anyone they dont care for or have the same beleifs.

You know nothing about a subject matter yet you ALWAYS want to insert your unfounded and ridiculously-expressed opinion. That's idiotic and degrading to intellectual discourse.

The only person who got called out for that in this thread is YOU. The rest of us are having healthy dialogue and debate. Get over it.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
DeltaSigStan/Taualumna,

no matter what You say, it seems strarang21 and dstchaos will have a rebuttle by calling people idiots or degrading anyone they dont care for or have the same beleifs.

But, there are others on GC who enjoy "Discussing" the different GLOs and Learning what many do not know, but want to act like they do.

Stan/Taualumna, I would enjoy anytime sitting with You over a toddy!

Um.... no one called anyone an idiot in this debate. In case you missed it, there is a very interesting social scientific discussion going on here. No one has bashed anyone, either individually or as a group.

[Tom Earp]

Really, Amazing?

Maybe it because I have read to many of Your Anti-Posts.

Yes, when You Both Post something Posotive, I can agree with, I will be more than happy to do the same.

But, to degrade as Your mental Attitude, then I can disagree with and speak My mind and peace/piece.

Fair or not?

If you and anothers want to be posoitive, that would be great!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Maybe it because I have read to many of Your Anti-Posts.

Get over it.

I have nothing against you when you say something that makes sense and is well-supported.

So, stop following starang21 and me around and typing dumb stuff aimed at us, just for the hell of it.

Back to the topic at hand.....

[AKA_Monet]

I hope I am not offending, however due to my career choice, Molecular Biology, I interact with many Asian populations. As a result, I have learned a miniscule amount of what is being discussed here. Moreover, due to my current residence, there is a HUGE Asian population--which I think is a WONDERFUL thing to have in a city...

As far as the "model minority" stereotype--and I deplore stereotypes

In my city, this is the FIRST time I have EVER seen that many Asians actually stand up and say, "HEY, we have been discriminated against, dammit!!!" And historically, they have been and are in some ways that I do not quite understand from their perspective (and due to my own ignorance) they are right now.

But what shocked me more than anything else was when I had a bite at a Cantonese diner, the young ladies I was eating with, told me that their parents told them that they could NEVER speak in their native tongue to ANYONE in public--especially, like at a wedding!!! They said that they would offend the elders by being too American(ized)...

I don't know about y'all, but that would break my heart if I was ever told that... I guess the closest I could relate it to, is this "light skinned/dark skinned", "good hair/nappy hair" thing that uneducated black folks ally themselves with... It's like all consuming... DAYUM!!!

One thing I see that AGLO's might want to consider, including forming a Asian Greek Alliance, is not only incorporate, but also set aside specific activities that are strongly needed in the Asian college student community and beyond... I don't know what brings Asian groups together in unity... And I HATE lumping... Because fortunately, in the United States, at the time that the most Asian population became US citizens, each ethnic group was considered and not junked all up together like African Americans as a part of my history...

I dunno, but the "word on the street" where I live is that most Asian folks know there are different ethnic populations, but they all need one unified voice together for their rights to be heard... So in some ways they are "lumping together" (i.e. Chinese with Koreans with Filipinos with SE Asians, etc.) out of necessity--at least in my city...

In some ways, it works... In other ways... Well, I don't know or I don't understand and maybe I will never understand...

sidebar: I don't know about y'all ladies, but I think Jet Li is fizzine... I don't know what it is about him that I like, but he is very attractive to me... So, if y'all don't want him, I'll be more than happy to take him off y'all's hand... And so is John Lone as well as Chow Yun Phat... Oh wait, I'm married, DAYUM!!! /sidebar

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet


But what shocked me more than anything else was when I had a bite at a Cantonese diner, the young ladies I was eating with, told me that their parents told them that they could NEVER speak in their native tongue to ANYONE in public--especially, like at a wedding!!! They said that they would offend the elders by being too American(ized)...

Are you saying that they can't speak English or can't speak Chinese (or other Asian language)?

I don't really know if it's really POSSIBLE to have a united Asian force because socio-economic levels vary so greatly. In Toronto, you have HK Chinese who are essentially upper middle class with a proper Catholic school education in Hong Kong and Canadian born/raised children who are top students in prep schools or highly academic public high schools. On the other hand you have newly arrived immigrants from mainland China or Vietnam who are trying very hard to make ends meet. You also have everything in between. I don't really see what these people have in common at all!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Are you saying that they can't speak English or can't speak Chinese (or other Asian language)?

That they could not speak the Cantonese dialect of Chinese in a public setting--since these ladies were of Cantonese descent (if I am describing it properly)...

Originally posted by Taualumna
I don't really know if it's really POSSIBLE to have a united Asian force because socio-economic levels vary so greatly. In Toronto, you have HK Chinese who are essentially upper middle class with a proper Catholic school education in Hong Kong and Canadian born/raised children who are top students in prep schools or highly academic public high schools. On the other hand you have newly arrived immigrants from mainland China or Vietnam who are trying very hard to make ends meet. You also have everything in between. I don't really see what these people have in common at all!

Well, I am seeing in my city is a unification of all those who are college educated... Folks that do not attend college are not a part of that "unity". But, folks that do, there may be some pockets here and there, but they are coming together more visibly so... That's just my observation... I'm on the West Coast.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
That they could not speak the Cantonese dialect of Chinese in a public setting--since these ladies were of Cantonese descent (if I am describing it properly)...

WEIRD. I would have thought that the ancestors would be offended that they WERE speaking English and only English.

Well, I am seeing in my city is a unification of all those who are college educated... Folks that do not attend college are not a part of that "unity". But, folks that do, there may be some pockets here and there, but they are coming together more visibly so... That's just my observation... I'm on the West Coast.

I haven't really seen this here, but my mom really isn't in the know for these sorts of things and most of the Asians I know are either completely white-washed like myself or too hip to care.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
Um.... no one called anyone an idiot in this debate. In case you missed it, there is a very interesting social scientific discussion going on here. No one has bashed anyone, either individually or as a group.

Yeah, I was trying to figure out where that happened. This is a great discussion and very enlightening.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by Taualumna
WEIRD. I would have thought that the ancestors would be offended that they WERE speaking English and only English.

Ditto. That seems backwards to me. Not wanting to sound supid, but is Cantonese considered the "Americanized" version of the traditional Chinese language?