Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party

[knight_shadow]

Question:

The south has a reputation of being back-woodsy and racist.

Should I move because I'm black? I AM placing myself in a bad situation. If I get jumped or killed here in Texas, am I partially to blame?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Question:

The south has a reputation of being back-woodsy and racist.

Should I move because I'm black? I AM placing myself in a bad situation. If I get jumped or killed here in Texas, am I partially to blame?

Yes.

Emmitt Till should've known better. That teenager was so dumb that he got comfortable with the white folks in 1950s Mississippi and allegedly flirted with a white woman. What about Ms. Sofia telling the white woman "hellll no" and punching the white man. That's why she had a jacked up eye and went to prison.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Question:

The south has a reputation of being back-woodsy and racist.

Should I move because I'm black? I AM placing myself in a bad situation. If I get jumped or killed here in Texas, am I partially to blame?

I'm a 6th generation native Texan. I would have to say that in certain parts of deep east Texas, yes, I would advise you to move. I really would...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'm a 6th generation native Texan. I would have to say that in certain parts of deep east Texas, yes, I would advise you to move. I really would...

Yeaaaaah...it sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Yeaaaaah...it sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

So why did you ask?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

So why did you ask?

Read it as:

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Yeaaaaah...this post makes it sound like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

[DrPhil]

LOL @ posters announcing their departure. Save that for the chatroom.

[agzg]

OMG, THAT'S TOTALLY IT... people get raped because they have LOW SELF.ESTEEM!

[agzg]

I think we're still discussing the topic. Sexual assault and physical assault cases like this (where there is one victim, one perpetrator) are both crimes in which the victim is not to blame.

Had this kid punched Adam Smith before Adam Smith decided to make the choice to violently and forcibly remove the kid from the party, THEN he might share some blame. Until then, not his fault.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by agzg

I think we're still discussing the topic. Sexual assault and physical assault cases like this (where there is one victim, one perpetrator) are both crimes in which the victim is not to blame.

Had this kid punched Adam Smith before Adam Smith decided to make the choice to violently and forcibly remove the kid from the party, THEN he might share some blame. Until then, not his fault.

Exactly my point, we can't have a victim without an action from a perp. Recognizing alcohol was involved still doesn't excuse the behavior, but it is a definite factor in making poor choices. I think there are a lot of poor choices by quite a few people here, especially when there are preventative measures like a guest list and security that are in place.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Exactly my point, we can't have a victim without an action from a perp. Recognizing alcohol was involved still doesn't excuse the behavior, but it is a definite factor in making poor choices. I think there are a lot of poor choices by quite a few people here, especially when there are preventative measures like a guest list and security that are in place.

Right, but just because there were a lot of poor choices made doesn't excuse Smith in any way for beating this kid's ass. He's still 100% to blame.

[KSig RC]

If you insist on going back to the original topic, there's a pretty clear line that needs to be crossed before a person is responsible for their own beating. That line is, generally, one of danger, intentional provocation along racial/ethnic/personal lines to an extreme level, assaulting someone else first without reason, and maybe a select few others.

Was this guy being provocative with his outfit? I suppose a little, although it seems more attention-grabbing than provocative (assless chaps might be more "provocative" but still wouldn't get to the level of "earning" it). But it didn't rise to the level of being personally or generally insulting or inflammatory - at that point, the guy isn't doing anything wrong. He's being himself- and if he "should have known better" than being himself, I don't really know how to describe to you how sad that situation is.

Oh, and you're blaming the victim. No matter how you couch it.

[srmom]

Here's one - a tragic example of not using good judgement, putting yourself in a dangerous situation, and your family forever feeling the consequence of your bad decision.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-pir...ry?id=11784598

The US State Dept has warned people not to travel in this area, the news is filled day after day about the dangers of the border towns, etc. You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to be unaware of the dangers that this couple took on.

So, what do they do? They go sight seeing in waters infested with pirates caught up in the drug wars.

I will not blame this couple, they were victims, not deserving to be attacked, and unfortunately, be killed. BUT, for Christ's sake, what were they thinking??? And, it's real easy to say, don't blame the victim, but who cares - the guy is dead and his wife is a widow and his parent's lost a son. And I know if it were my son who had been killed, while I was grieving, at the same time, I'd be asking, "What the hell was he thinking??"

Don't ask for trouble! Don't put yourself in harm's way! Use good judgement! Try to stay out of dangerous situation and places. If your gut tells you something aint kosher, leave the situation.

Just because noone should be victimized doesn't mean they won't. Bad things happen to innocent people all the time.

Are any of y'all going to go travel to Juarez any time soon? It's a great place to get pottery, and damnit, I'm not involved in drugs, I should have the right to go shop in Juarez if I want to. I shouldn't be victimized and possibly get caught up in a gun fight on the streets - so do I go? I don't think so.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by srmom

Here's one - a tragic example of not using good judgement, putting yourself in a dangerous situation, and your family forever feeling the consequence of your bad decision.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexican-pir...ry?id=11784598

The US State Dept has warned people not to travel in this area, the news is filled day after day about the dangers of the border towns, etc. You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to be unaware of the dangers that this couple took on.

So, what do they do? They go sight seeing in waters infested with pirates caught up in the drug wars.

I will not blame this couple, they were victims, not deserving to be attacked, and unfortunately, be killed. BUT, for Christ's sake, what were they thinking??? And, it's real easy to say, don't blame the victim, but who cares - the guy is dead and his wife is a widow and his parent's lost a son. And I know if it were my son who had been killed, while I was grieving, at the same time, I'd be asking, "What the hell was he thinking??"

Don't ask for trouble! Don't put yourself in harm's way! Use good judgement! Try to stay out of dangerous situation and places. If your gut tells you something aint kosher, leave the situation.

Just because noone should be victimized doesn't mean they won't. Bad things happen to innocent people all the time.

Are any of y'all going to go travel to Juarez any time soon? It's a great place to get pottery, and damnit, I'm not involved in drugs, I should have the right to go shop in Juarez if I want to. I shouldn't be victimized and possibly get caught up in a gun fight on the streets - so do I go? I don't think so.

Walking into danger is not that same as being the victim of unfortunate circumstances.

Yes, people need to practice caution, but if a perp decides to target you when you have a reasonable expectation of safety (ie. collegiate party), I don't see how you would be at fault.

Yes, people do fight at parties, but you don't go to a party with the expectation that you'll be assaulted. Just like you don't walk down the street with the expectation that you'll be raped. Just like you don't get into your car with the expectation that you'll be hit by another car.

[Billy_Optimist]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Just like you don't get into your car with the expectation that you'll be hit by another car.

You'd have to be a moron not to think it might happen though.