10-year-old's pregnancy fuels Mexican abortion debate - Page 4

jdrama · #46 04-25-2010, 02:44 PM

^^True. I'm pro-life but in this case, I'm wondering why she's still pregnant.

WinniBug · #47 04-25-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by violetpretty

Imagine being that "baby"...grown up. Imagine how you'd feel knowing you were the product of incest. That's something that therapy can not heal. Better to not bring that life into the world.

It's not technically incest, they were not blood related.

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Originally Posted by tld221

Seriously: I'd much rather spare someone the feeling of not being properly cared for (financially, emotionally) because they werent exactly wanted/asked for.

I'm not advocating the 10 yr old RAISE the child, just bring into the world the life that God has already begun. I'm all for adopting the baby out!

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!

violetpretty · #48 04-25-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

It's not technically incest, they were not blood related.

I'm not advocating the 10 yr old RAISE the child, just bring into the world the life that God has already begun. I'm all for adopting the baby out!

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!

So if it was technically incest (blood relatives), would you still insist on bringing a 3 eyed product of incest into the world?

DrPhil · #49 04-25-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

I'm not advocating the 10 yr old RAISE the child, just bring into the world the life that God has already begun. I'm all for adopting the baby out!

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!

Not everyone thinks abortion is WRONG and that pregnancy is automatically a gift of life from God. I do not and that applies to anyone who wants an abortion.

WinniBug · #50 04-25-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Not everyone thinks abortion is WRONG and that pregnancy is automatically a gift of life from God. I do not and that applies to anyone who wants an abortion.

How is it not?

AOII Angel · #51 04-25-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

How is it not?

How is it not what? Wrong or a gift from God?

Either is up to personal opinion.

WinniBug · #52 04-25-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

How is it not what? Wrong or a gift from God?

Either is up to personal opinion.

Both. Where does life come from if not from God?
And if it's a gift from God, who are we to end it?

tld221 · #53 04-25-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

It's not technically incest, they were not blood related.

I'm not advocating the 10 yr old RAISE the child, just bring into the world the life that God has already begun. I'm all for adopting the baby out!

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!

We propose "giving up a child for adoption" as a quick fix. Just as this 10 year old has been turned over to state custody, adoption will do the same thing. We know full and well that a small percentage of children actually are adopted; many grow up in foster care, group homes and age out witha whole host of issues associated with being a child of adoption.

As for "two wrongs not making a right," well there aren't any amounts of wrongs to right this. Then again, according to your beliefs, this unborn child isn't a "wrong," and adoption is as close to a "right" as this scenario could call for.

Clearly we disagree.

WinniBug · #54 04-25-2010, 03:36 PM

I'm not calling the child a wrong, I'm calling the act that lead to the conception of the child as a "wrong"

tld221 · #55 04-25-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

I'm not calling the child a wrong, I'm calling the act that lead to the conception of the child as a "wrong"

Exactly.

Whereas I see the child as part of the wrongful act, and should be recified accordingly.

Listen, I won't knock your right to believing in God's intent in bringing life into His earth, but mathematically, the Lord has roughly 600 more times over the next 50ish years to bring life via this young girl. I'd hope that the Lord will not want to bring another life into this suffering.

AOII Angel · #56 04-25-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

Both. Where does life come from if not from God?
And if it's a gift from God, who are we to end it?

Hmmm....life comes from two cells (egg and sperm) merging then dividing multiple times in a very choreographed manner as determined by specialized genes. Where those genes originated is up for debate. Whether or not they came from a God cannot be proven. That is your belief but can't be forced on anyone else.

If the product of two cells merging and dividing cannot be determined to be a gift of God, your second question is therefore invalid.

I feel for this poor child. The fact of the matter is, in Mexico it is too late for her to get an abortion. Abortion or no abortion, this child has a poor chance at a normal life. In the end, I care less about the fetus in her uterus than the welfare of the 10 year old that now is a "mother."

WinniBug · #57 04-25-2010, 04:43 PM

So, y'all are saying that it is OK to abort the pregnancy because, "welp, the pregnancy and labor are going to suck for this girl so lets just murder the baby so she doesn't have to suffer." You can't justify murder. The girl's body will heal. The baby will bless an adoptive family. The girl will heal from giving birth. But will her heart heal from murdering her baby?

tld221 · #58 04-25-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

So, y'all are saying that it is OK to abort the pregnancy because, "welp, the pregnancy and labor are going to suck for this girl so lets just murder the baby so she doesn't have to suffer." You can't justify murder. The girl's body will heal. The baby will bless an adoptive family. The girl will heal from giving birth. But will her heart heal from murdering her baby?

I'm not only concerned with the effects of labor on the 10 year old but the potential of a child being born and raised without the proper care and attention needed. We should be setting children up for success, and being born out of rape/incest, out of wedlock/to an unfit mother with its custodial care TBD doesn't exactly do that. It surely doesn't sit well with me.

Agai, difference of opinion, but this is not murder, "the unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse." Abortion is lawful and this situation, in my opinion, is very justified.

You use a lot of strong language in your defense-probably reflective of your strong faith. You can have that. This girl's heart won't heal any faster from "murdering her little baby" than from being forced upon by an adult she shouldve been able to trust. You really think her heart will heal just the same from giving birth to "her little baby" then have it taken away for someone else's possession?

Children can't even handle when you take their toys away for a short period. Take a child away from a 10 year old after 9 months and see how that goes.

epchick · #59 04-25-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

You can't justify murder

I understand what you are saying, but not everyone considers it murder. I'm against abortion for myself, but who am I to tell someone else they can't?

Furthermore, you don't know whether this child will 'heal', either physically or psychologically...abortion or not.

It's a crappy situation all-around.

AOII Angel · #60 04-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

So, y'all are saying that it is OK to abort the pregnancy because, "welp, the pregnancy and labor are going to suck for this girl so lets just murder the baby so she doesn't have to suffer." You can't justify murder. The girl's body will heal. The baby will bless an adoptive family. The girl will heal from giving birth. But will her heart heal from murdering her baby?

And what you are saying is that a 10 year old being raped by her stepfather resulting in a pregnancy is a "gift from God?" Please tell me that your version of God would have some compassion for this poor girl.