kappa sigma at fgcu?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But if it's a general social fraternity, IFC is likely the proper fit, not, say, NALFO or MGC. I'd hazard a guess that most, if not all, IFCs can at least theoretically include non-NIC members.

As noted earlier in this thread, Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa all left the NIC, yet their chapters are all likely to be IFC. Lots of fraternities have left NIC over the years (and usually come back later), but their chapters have remained part of campus IFCs.

Meanwhile, my fraternity has never been a member of NIC, but many of our chapters are part of their campus IFC.

Cosign.

One additional thing to understand about the IFC is that the campus IFC is not directly affiliated with - or governed by - the NIC. As such, local fraternities, regional based fraternities, as well as non-council affiliated national fraternities may belong to a campus IFC. As MysticCat noted, the most common example of this is Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta. While both are no longer members of the NIC, (Phi Sigma Kappa has rejoined the NIC), most of their chapters are members of their respective campus IFC. And as MysticCat also noted, on some campuses "service" and "professional" GLOs have been known to be members of the campus IFC in addition to FLA, NAPIAPA, NALFO, NMGC, NPHC, NIC.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But if it's a general social fraternity, IFC is likely the proper fit, not, say, NALFO or MGC. I'd hazard a guess that most, if not all, IFCs can at least theoretically include non-NIC members.

As noted earlier in this thread, Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa all left the NIC, yet their chapters are all likely to be IFC. Lots of fraternities have left NIC over the years (and usually come back later), but their chapters have remained part of campus IFCs.

Meanwhile, my fraternity has never been a member of NIC, but many of our chapters are part of their campus IFC.

I understand that IFC is a good fit for several organizations. My point was that IFC is not the end-all, be-all when it comes to governing bodies.

I believe some people thought that not belonging to NIC/IFC = not being able to be on campus, period.

Originally Posted by TSteven

Cosign.

One additional thing to understand about the IFC is that the campus IFC is not directly affiliated with - or governed by - the NIC. As such, local fraternities, regional based fraternities, as well as non-council affiliated national fraternities may belong to a campus IFC. As MysticCat noted, the most common example of this is Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta. While both are no longer members of the NIC, (Phi Sigma Kappa has rejoined the NIC), most of their chapters are members of their respective campus IFC. And as MysticCat also noted, on some campuses "service" and "professional" GLOs have been known to be members of the campus IFC in addition to FLA, NAPAPA, NALFO, NMGC, NPHC, NIC.

I realize that NIC's power is loose, but it's still there. If NIC didn't have at least some power over the local IFCs, the by-laws concerning open expansion and recruitment would be pointless.

And I know that local IFCs include non-NIC organizations. The by-law doesn't pertain to those organizations, though. I was simply clarifying that IFC can't prevent an NIC organization from joining. Everything else would be up to the local council and the school.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that IFC is a good fit for several organizations. My point was that IFC is not the end-all, be-all when it comes to governing bodies.

I believe some people thought that not belonging to NIC/IFC = not being able to be on campus, period.

Right. I was just trying to make sure that it was clear to DEVODUDE and anyone else reading the thread.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that IFC is a good fit for several organizations. My point was that IFC is not the end-all, be-all when it comes to governing bodies.

I believe some people thought that not belonging to NIC/IFC = not being able to be on campus, period.

I realize that NIC's power is loose, but it's still there. If NIC didn't have at least some power over the local IFCs, the by-laws concerning open expansion and recruitment would be pointless.

And I know that local IFCs include non-NIC organizations. The by-law doesn't pertain to those organizations, though. I was simply clarifying that IFC can't prevent an NIC organization from joining. Everything else would be up to the local council and the school.

On some campuses, while they are not suppose to per the NIC, the campus IFC has prevented an NIC organization from joining the IFC. It seems that the key issue is that the NIC does not governed the IFC or technically have the power to actually come on a campus to dictate what the campus IFC may or may not do. Same as the NIC may not come on campus and dictate to NPHC members - those that have duel membership in the NIC - what the campus NPHC council may or may not do. The NIC doesn't really work that way... yet.

[DEVODUDE]

MysticCat;1873784]Right. I was just trying to make sure that it was clear to DEVODUDE and anyone else reading the thread.

THANK YOU. I do have a clear understanding now!!!!!!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by TSteven

On some campuses, while they are not suppose to per the NIC, the campus IFC has prevented an NIC organization from joining the IFC. It seems that the key issue is that the NIC does not governed the IFC or technically have the power to actually come on a campus to dictate what the campus IFC may or may not do.

I see what you're saying.

[rex in effect]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but can we clarify "rude"? I mean, if the IFC told them they couldn't colonize and KS said "oh yes we can" they're not being rude, they're stating a fact. Some people classify telling the truth without sugarcoating as rude.

I mean I kind of have a problem envisioning a national fraternity officer dropping f bombs and/or flipping the bird, no matter how upset he was.

I'm not sure what was said, but he probably did some things that pissed FGCU's IFC off. He's not with the colony any more, so he is no longer a problem.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by fiji frank

I am talking to a few buddies of mine that go to FGCU about trying to get FIJI started down there. We're not gonna follow FGCU's rules at all. We're gonna get in contact with nationals and just colonize. FGCU's expansion rules are retarded. I agree with ryquis. FGCU's greek life is a joke from what I hear.

QFP

*Sigh*

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by fiji frank

I am talking to a few buddies of mine that go to FGCU about trying to get FIJI started down there. We're not gonna follow FGCU's rules at all. We're gonna get in contact with nationals and just colonize. FGCU's expansion rules are retarded. I agree with ryquis. FGCU's greek life is a joke from what I hear.

Okay I'll bite.

If FGCU's greek life is such a joke why even come here?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fiji frank

I am talking to a few buddies of mine that go to FGCU about trying to get FIJI started down there. We're not gonna follow FGCU's rules at all. We're gonna get in contact with nationals and just colonize. FGCU's expansion rules are retarded. I agree with ryquis. FGCU's greek life is a joke from what I hear.

You hoser, the only fraternity that you're going to be in is Beta Alpha Nu.

[FSUZeta]

frank, that's fine if you don't want to have socials with the sororities, participate in intramurals(as a fraternity team), greek week, and any other things greek affiliated.

touche' jenny!

[rex in effect]

I totally agree FSUZeta. FIJI Frank is out of his mind.

[xtreme17618]

Ok, where to begin. I just found this thread today and I am actually a part of the Kappa Sigma colony of Fort Myers. We are trying to get on campus but there is alot of opposition because of the route we took. We actually had a meeting with the IFC this morning and we were denied, but still soon to be the Rho Zeta Chapter. If you have any questions just lmk. Thank you for all who support us.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by xtreme17618

Ok, where to begin. I just found this thread today and I am actually apart of the Kappa Sigma colony of Fort Myers. We are trying to get on campus but there is alot of opposition because of the route we took. We actually had a meeting with the IFC this morning and we were denied, but still soon to be the Rho Zeta Chapter. If you have any questions just lmk. Thank you for all who support us.

a part

You are still soon to be the Rho Zeta Chapter? How so?

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

a part

You are still soon to be the Rho Zeta Chapter? How so?

I believe because Kappa Sigma is still going to let them be a chapter, just without school or IFC recognition.....

I could be wrong.

From what I've been told, please understand this is hear say or whatever, one of the probelms with Kappa Sigma coming to FGCU was that they are not part of NIC which leads to insurance reasons. Can anyone exlpain this?