kappa sigma at fgcu?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

IFC is not the only governing council that can exist on a campus. A non-NIC organization can get university recognition and petition for membership in a different council (NALFO, NPHC, MGC, etc, depending on the type of group).

But if it's a general social fraternity, IFC is likely the proper fit, not, say, NALFO or MGC. I'd hazard a guess that most, if not all, IFCs can at least theoretically include non-NIC members.

As noted earlier in this thread, Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa all left the NIC, yet their chapters are all likely to be IFC. Lots of fraternities have left NIC over the years (and usually come back later), but their chapters have remained part of campus IFCs.

Meanwhile, my fraternity has never been a member of NIC, but many of our chapters are part of their campus IFC.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But if it's a general social fraternity, IFC is likely the proper fit, not, say, NALFO or MGC. I'd hazard a guess that most, if not all, IFCs can at least theoretically include non-NIC members.

As noted earlier in this thread, Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa all left the NIC, yet their chapters are all likely to be IFC. Lots of fraternities have left NIC over the years (and usually come back later), but their chapters have remained part of campus IFCs.

Meanwhile, my fraternity has never been a member of NIC, but many of our chapters are part of their campus IFC.

Cosign.

One additional thing to understand about the IFC is that the campus IFC is not directly affiliated with - or governed by - the NIC. As such, local fraternities, regional based fraternities, as well as non-council affiliated national fraternities may belong to a campus IFC. As MysticCat noted, the most common example of this is Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta. While both are no longer members of the NIC, (Phi Sigma Kappa has rejoined the NIC), most of their chapters are members of their respective campus IFC. And as MysticCat also noted, on some campuses "service" and "professional" GLOs have been known to be members of the campus IFC in addition to FLA, NAPIAPA, NALFO, NMGC, NPHC, NIC.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But if it's a general social fraternity, IFC is likely the proper fit, not, say, NALFO or MGC. I'd hazard a guess that most, if not all, IFCs can at least theoretically include non-NIC members.

As noted earlier in this thread, Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta and Phi Sigma Kappa all left the NIC, yet their chapters are all likely to be IFC. Lots of fraternities have left NIC over the years (and usually come back later), but their chapters have remained part of campus IFCs.

Meanwhile, my fraternity has never been a member of NIC, but many of our chapters are part of their campus IFC.

I understand that IFC is a good fit for several organizations. My point was that IFC is not the end-all, be-all when it comes to governing bodies.

I believe some people thought that not belonging to NIC/IFC = not being able to be on campus, period.

Originally Posted by TSteven

Cosign.

One additional thing to understand about the IFC is that the campus IFC is not directly affiliated with - or governed by - the NIC. As such, local fraternities, regional based fraternities, as well as non-council affiliated national fraternities may belong to a campus IFC. As MysticCat noted, the most common example of this is Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta. While both are no longer members of the NIC, (Phi Sigma Kappa has rejoined the NIC), most of their chapters are members of their respective campus IFC. And as MysticCat also noted, on some campuses "service" and "professional" GLOs have been known to be members of the campus IFC in addition to FLA, NAPAPA, NALFO, NMGC, NPHC, NIC.

I realize that NIC's power is loose, but it's still there. If NIC didn't have at least some power over the local IFCs, the by-laws concerning open expansion and recruitment would be pointless.

And I know that local IFCs include non-NIC organizations. The by-law doesn't pertain to those organizations, though. I was simply clarifying that IFC can't prevent an NIC organization from joining. Everything else would be up to the local council and the school.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that IFC is a good fit for several organizations. My point was that IFC is not the end-all, be-all when it comes to governing bodies.

I believe some people thought that not belonging to NIC/IFC = not being able to be on campus, period.

Right. I was just trying to make sure that it was clear to DEVODUDE and anyone else reading the thread.

[DEVODUDE]

MysticCat;1873784]Right. I was just trying to make sure that it was clear to DEVODUDE and anyone else reading the thread.

THANK YOU. I do have a clear understanding now!!!!!!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that IFC is a good fit for several organizations. My point was that IFC is not the end-all, be-all when it comes to governing bodies.

I believe some people thought that not belonging to NIC/IFC = not being able to be on campus, period.

I realize that NIC's power is loose, but it's still there. If NIC didn't have at least some power over the local IFCs, the by-laws concerning open expansion and recruitment would be pointless.

And I know that local IFCs include non-NIC organizations. The by-law doesn't pertain to those organizations, though. I was simply clarifying that IFC can't prevent an NIC organization from joining. Everything else would be up to the local council and the school.

On some campuses, while they are not suppose to per the NIC, the campus IFC has prevented an NIC organization from joining the IFC. It seems that the key issue is that the NIC does not governed the IFC or technically have the power to actually come on a campus to dictate what the campus IFC may or may not do. Same as the NIC may not come on campus and dictate to NPHC members - those that have duel membership in the NIC - what the campus NPHC council may or may not do. The NIC doesn't really work that way... yet.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by TSteven

On some campuses, while they are not suppose to per the NIC, the campus IFC has prevented an NIC organization from joining the IFC. It seems that the key issue is that the NIC does not governed the IFC or technically have the power to actually come on a campus to dictate what the campus IFC may or may not do.

I see what you're saying.