Racist Barnes and Noble Display

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Again, you are missing the whole point of this particular story.

You have a smoking gun and no witnesses to the crime nor a real 'credible' victim.


Hell I could just as easily go in there and do the same thing and cry wolf.

It's not that this is being tolerated, bit it's an isolated incident that no one can really do too much about adn again as I sated before, if there was malice behind this event and something that was on a far grander scale, I could see where there would be outrage, but this particular incident for what happened, it's not worth it.

See my post about cameras.

I'm just shocked that people are just buying the BS Barnes and Noble is selling. He says it was a customer, no one questions it. I'm not missing the point. However, it's apparent that because people don't know the layout of the store, they are just going to buy his lies.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

See my post about cameras.

I'm just shocked that people are just buying the BS Barnes and Noble is selling. He says it was a customer, no one questions it. I'm not missing the point. However, it's apparent that because people don't know the layout of the store, they are just going to buy his lies.

What else is wrong with this picture?

If this was a prominent display, there is something else wrong with it...this is why I don't buy the whole "B&N entirely responsible" idea.



Let it go.

I am done.

This story is not worth the energy

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You raised a good point about stores and cameras. I'm sure that store has cameras. Why didn't they at least LOOK at the cameras to see what occurred?

Could be that the cameras weren't functioning, could be that it happened in some gap in time during the incident. Or it could be that they know the culprit, but aren't releasing the name for that person's safety (and the whole innocent until proven guilty thing).

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It doesn't matter if they FEEL that way. What matters is when they start doing things to SHOW it. Blatantly associating the President with a monkey isn't something that should be tolerated. I don't know, but your attempt to make a point fails because you are talking about someone's THOUGHTS, not their actions.

At any rate, I shouldn't be surprised at some of the reactions. Even though you would never admit it, most of you probably share the same sentiment as the people who continuously compare the President of the United States to a monkey. I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but based on previous comments around here, it's not unlikely.
ETA: I'm not angry. don't want anyone to think I'm sitting here with steam coming out of my ears. I'm just saddened and perplexed that people are so desensitized that things like this are tolerated and brushed off.

I'm not sure where you get this. Most of the people who have posted in this thread (heck, most of the people who post on the board) were/are supporters of President Obama. Out of the remainder, most of us haven't stated anything racist (either overt or subtle) that would allude to us comparing the President to a monkey. I think most of us have explained pretty well why we didn't vote for the current President, either because of issues with his foreign policy, his economic plan, etc.

What exactly is your basis for that statement?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

At any rate, I shouldn't be surprised at some of the reactions. Even though you would never admit it, most of you probably share the same sentiment as the people who continuously compare the President of the United States to a monkey. I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but based on previous comments around here, it's not unlikely.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

What exactly is your basis for that statement?

The same as her basis for knowing that B&N's explanation is a lie.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by Zephyrus

I knew this would be a problem once he got elected. As soon as someone says one thing about the guy, the race card is used.

Really? All the time?

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Zephyrus

This Obama thing has gone way overboard. I knew this would be a problem once he got elected. As soon as someone says one thing about the guy, the race card is used. Give it a fking break. He's black, and he's president so there are going to be race issues involved. This is clearly a race issue, but it has nothing to do with barnes and noble. Think people, think!

That's not true, and one example I'll cite is this website. There have been lots of debates here about his policies that haven't touched on race. I don't think you're giving his supporters enough credit here.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

At any rate, I shouldn't be surprised at some of the reactions. Even though you would never admit it, most of you probably share the same sentiment as the people who continuously compare the President of the United States to a monkey. I'm not saying definitively that this is the case, but based on previous comments around here, it's not unlikely.

Quoted for ridiculousness and irony.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

That's not true, and one example I'll cite is this website. There have been lots of debates here about his policies that haven't touched on race. I don't think you're giving his supporters enough credit here.

Well, first off, race isn't a "card." (@ Zephyrus)

Second off, I think almost every discussion of this election and the current state of the Presidency on here has had overt or implied race implications in a few of the posts.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

The same as her basis for knowing that B&N's explanation is a lie.

And the same basis for her thinking people are ganging up on her if a few posters take issue with that silly comment.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I'm not sure where you get this. Most of the people who have posted in this thread (heck, most of the people who post on the board) were/are supporters of President Obama. Out of the remainder, most of us haven't stated anything racist (either overt or subtle) that would allude to us comparing the President to a monkey. I think most of us have explained pretty well why we didn't vote for the current President, either because of issues with his foreign policy, his economic plan, etc.

What exactly is your basis for that statement?

And she's conveniently ignoring the fact that a few of us in here are black/African American/African Diasporic. Surely we wouldn't compare Obama to a monkey on racial grounds.*


*versus the notion that everyone looks like some animal and some people of every race and ethnicity resemble primates

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I'm puzzled as to why people think that if an employee had been caught doing this, that they would have punished. There have been numerous incidents that have been traced back to employees and nothing was ever really done. For example, I have done some research to find out what happened with that employee involved in that incident where the word "n*^&%#" was written on a customer's return receipt. From what I know, they found out who it was, but never fired that individual. They just waited for everything to die down, and business resumed as usual. That's typically what happens in there types of situations.

Also, I think based on the rep's attitude alone on the Joyner show, there is more to the story. I still don't understand why he wasn't more apologetic. He was VERY nasty when he was on there. He certainly was quick to pass the buck however. A little too quick. Like I said, he was counting on the notion that people don't know the layout of the store.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

You raised a good point about stores and cameras. I'm sure that store has cameras. Why didn't they at least LOOK at the cameras to see what occurred?

As someone else stated, that whole innocent till proven guilty. And some things are done behind closed doors and are NOT your business. If I fire one of my employees and a customer asks about it, I am not allowed to say "Yeah we fired her". It's the same if someone calls for a reference for a future employee. You are legally not allowed to say "yes this person was a horrible employee do not hire them".

Originally Posted by DrPhil

*versus the notion that everyone looks like some animal and some people of every race and ethnicity resemble primates

I kinda think Bush looks like a monkey...


If this does blow up, and B&N takes a hit, I wonder if there will be any claim to defamation.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I kinda think Bush looks like a monkey...

And he has had monkey photos devoted to him. The difference is there's no history of monkey references for white people. So how some "jokes" are received is based on the messenger and the historical significance of the message.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

If this does blow up, and B&N takes a hit, I wonder if there will be any claim to defamation.

This will only blow up if people are in a desperate search for a "cause."

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

If this does blow up, and B&N takes a hit, I wonder if there will be any claim to defamation.

As isolated as this instance is, I would be extremely shocked if this blows up.

[srmom]

There are always people in a desperate search for a "cause" - always have been, always will be.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by srmom

There are always people in a desperate search for a "cause" - always have been, always will be.

True. So this will only blow up if those people aren't ignored.