Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[darling1]

for some, the issue is that obama is black. it may be as simple as that. as much as we have progressed, i feel there may be some people who think "the audacity of this black man and his black wife". i have had convos with friends and they are uncomfortable with how he got to this point and who he has backing him. they believe he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Thanks for the additional information. I also appreciate that you understand what I am saying. However, I REALLY want to know the answer to my question. WHY are there some Democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Obama?

[darling1]

the family values angle is being pushed here. i think that the republicans have made it very evident what their angle is going to be. even with pallin's baby momma drama, it will be spun in as positive a light as possible. if this were obama and one of their daughter's was prego at 17, they would want his head on a platter.

the fact that pallin is a woman with 5 children, not the atypical politician and therefore does not 'slick' talk like all lawyers do , this will appeal to a lot of blue collar folks and a lot of moms.

Originally Posted by jitterbug13

Yesterday, I was watching Face The Nation (missed Meet The Press) and I saw Bob Sheiffer (sp) talking to former NY Mayor Gulianni (sp). Gulianni was trying to defend McCain's choice of VP. He said that Palian is a good choice because she has had municipal experience and experience running state government. She may be a governor (there are more people in some major cities than Alaska) but running a city of less than 10,000 is different than running a city with millions of people.

I was watching NBC Nightly News last night and Brian Williams was interviewing McCain. He brought up on why he made his decision. He listed some of the things that Gulianni said, but also added that she has PTA leadership. Yes, PTA.

PTA was brought up again by Gov. Sanford (the governor of SC, where I live). He said that it was good seeing a PTA and soccer mom make this historic rise. Sanford was on the long list of VP canidates and he has been governor here six years, on top of the six years he was on in the US House.

PTA does not equal foreign policy experience. Is that the best explanation the Republicans got?

[nikki1920]

Originally Posted by darling1

i read recently he works for BP/Amoco

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[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

WHY are there some Democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Obama?

Who knows what their dysfunction is? Fearful of how much change is he saying or meaning? Whether or not the man is Black or other, some Democrats are worried that his thoughts about his future policies will not propel the country to the heights that "they" think it needs to be...

We have terrorists, no oil, failing infrastructure, managing disasters with minimal resources, etc. and in the meanwhile we fall behind other industrialized countries when we were at the heightened peak... Surely, Obama could not have the "end all be all" to solve our US problems... Surely...

Besides, this is a page outta Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's "Isis Papers"...

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by Liquid Soule

Some may be really upset about how Hillery was treated.

As I indicated in an earlier post, PROVE (ie show evidence) that BARACK OBAMA or HIS campaign was sexist toward Hillary or otherwise treated her poorly. I know of plenty of third parties (other Dems, media, folx on the street, Repugs, etc.) that were sexist but I cannot think of one incidence (neither could Ferraro when asked) of OBAMA's sexist behavior.

Frankly, I believe that Hillary brought a lot of it on herself. She chose poor advisors, allowed her husband to exercise his ego and carried an air of inevitability far into the process.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Thanks for the additional information. I also appreciate that you understand what I am saying. However, I REALLY want to know the answer to my question. WHY are there some Democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Obama?

Just an FYI - there was an almost identical issue in 2000 after the primary fight between Bush and McCain. At the time of the Republican Convention, something like 40% of McCain backers said they would not back Bush during the general election. That number shrunk considerably by the time of the general election, and, I would guess, the same thing will happen with Obama.

While I have no doubt that race plays some part, it could just be old-fashioned bitterness after a tough primary season. I also should point out that largely, I believe with you, in that I question those who switched parties because their candidate of choice didn't get the nomination.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

As I indicated in an earlier post, PROVE (ie show evidence) that BARACK OBAMA or HIS campaign was sexist toward Hillary or otherwise treated her poorly. I know of plenty of third parties (other Dems, media, folx on the street, Repugs, etc.) that were sexist but I cannot think of one incidence (neither could Ferraro when asked) of OBAMA's sexist behavior.

Frankly, I believe that Hillary brought a lot of it on herself. She chose poor advisors, allowed her husband to exercise his ego and carried an air of inevitability far into the process.

Exactly. Some Hillary supporters have no doubt convinced themselves that Obama and his campaign were sexist toward Hillary which couldn't be further from the truth. If there was any sexism going on, it came from the Media and others, not Obama and his camp. I think the thing that these die-hard Hillary supporters; the "I can't vote for Obama" women refuse to admit to themselves is that Hillary's camp made several mistakes because they underestimated Obama's ability to win. The Clintons thought that Hillary would win by a landslide because afterall, they are "The Clintons" and Obama was an unknown. But like the saying goes..."Never underestimate your opponent."

[jitterbug13]

It's ironic that you wrote this because now McCain's camp is saying the same thing about Palin:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/...palin_politics

I really think they are mad because the media and the people are questioning his decision and that we are not rolling over and accepting his decision.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

As I indicated in an earlier post, PROVE (ie show evidence) that BARACK OBAMA or HIS campaign was sexist toward Hillary or otherwise treated her poorly. I know of plenty of third parties (other Dems, media, folx on the street, Repugs, etc.) that were sexist but I cannot think of one incidence (neither could Ferraro when asked) of OBAMA's sexist behavior.

"Mr. Obama, can I ask your thoughts on..." female reporter
"Not now 'sweetie'..." As he rushed out of the facility to go to another with secret service telling him where he needs to be...

Or when Obama said, "I look forward to working with you in the Whitehouse..." as Hillary rolled her eyes during one of the primary debates...

That's what "they" are talking about... That is "extremely offensive" to them... LOL... Kind of like "you people" at the NAACP in 1992...

[I.A.S.K.]

While I fully agree with Barack on the fact that family, especially children, should be left out of politics, it is becomming increasingly hard to ingnore Palin's family troubles.
My growing list of problems with Palin:
1. Her daughter is pregnant
2. Her daughter is also apparently a drinker. http://www.bossip.com/25563/booze-and-babies/
3. Her husband was (and might still be) a drinker who had a DUI.
4. She has a infant with a disability
5. Said infant appeared out of nowhere because Nobody saw Palin preggers. I dont even think Mr. Palin remembers a pregnancy
6. She has NO experience! (Her PTA experience is equal to my Dorm Council experience and student government experience in H/S. Shoot, I even did Model UN and was actually a delegate to a real UN Summit on Sustainable Development. Since I'm both black and female McCain should have picked me for VP. He could've killed two birds with one stone.)
7. She clearly cannot control her children and as such I highly doubt she can control our nation.
8. She governs Alaska! As Diddy so eloquently put it "I don't even think there's crackheads in Alaska"

Side note: I really think McCain begged C.Rice to be his VP. I'm sure she gave him a mean side-eye and a resounding NO! (and then told him she's voting for Obama) lol.

Also has anyone else ever noticed that when some pigmantly impaired newspeople do not like someone they mispronounce the person's name? Like O-Bama (as in Alabama) instead of Obama or "mistaking" Obama for Osama. Even O-Sam-Ah instead of Osama or Ben Loudin instead of Bin Laden. Sa-Damn instead of Sadam. So many people (the last two I have no bit of fondness for) that they don't like get their names mispronounced.

[jitterbug13]

^^^^
*applause* My mom said yesterday the ones who claim they have family values don't have them. They wouldn't know them if they bought it at Wal-Mart.

And our current president says Is-slam instead of Is-lam (Islam) so that doesn't surprise me at all.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

"Mr. Obama, can I ask your thoughts on..." female reporter
"Not now 'sweetie'..." As he rushed out of the facility to go to another with secret service telling him where he needs to be......

This was NOT said or directed at Clinton. My mom (54 years old) calls anyone whose name she can't remember 'sweetie'. So no sexism here.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Or when Obama said, "I look forward to working with you in the Whitehouse..." as Hillary rolled her eyes during one of the primary debates......

I don't see the sexist bent on this. Is it the same as Hillary/Bill/others specualting that Obama could be HER VP? If so, she was being 'sexist' to him.





So far, no proof of Obama's sexism towards Hillary.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

While I fully agree with Barack on the fact that family, especially children, should be left out of politics, it is becomming increasingly hard to ingnore Palin's family troubles.
My growing list of problems with Palin:
1. Her daughter is pregnant
2. Her daughter is also apparently a drinker. http://www.bossip.com/25563/booze-and-babies/
3. Her husband was (and might still be) a drinker who had a DUI.
4. She has a infant with a disability
5. Said infant appeared out of nowhere because Nobody saw Palin preggers. I dont even think Mr. Palin remembers a pregnancy
6. She has NO experience! (Her PTA experience is equal to my Dorm Council experience and student government experience in H/S. Shoot, I even did Model UN and was actually a delegate to a real UN Summit on Sustainable Development. Since I'm both black and female McCain should have picked me for VP. He could've killed two birds with one stone.)
7. She clearly cannot control her children and as such I highly doubt she can control our nation.
8. She governs Alaska! As Diddy so eloquently put it "I don't even think there's crackheads in Alaska"

Its funny that the Obama's have the model family life and Biden has overcome a great tragedy (he actually didn't remarry until after 'death did them part') and raised beautiful, successful children (one of his son's is the Delaware State Attorney General) for several years as a single father.

On the other hand, you have an admitted adulterer (possibly a polygamist) married to a recovering drug addict, a drunk and an (alleged) abuser of political power who are parents of a pregnant teenage daughter.......Family values???

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

This was NOT said or directed at Clinton. My mom (54 years old) calls anyone whose name she can't remember 'sweetie'. So no sexism here.

I don't see the sexist bent on this. Is it the same as Hillary/Bill/others specualting that Obama could be HER VP? If so, she was being 'sexist' to him.

So far, no proof of Obama's sexism towards Hillary.

Believe me, I KNOW what you are saying, but "these people" feel threatened in the slightest and although you or me may not see it, a euphemistically benign term as "sweetie" to a woman trying to do her job is a "sexist" term to belittle women used by males insecure in their manhood... Yes, it's a stretch--I didn't say it wasn't... But I am telling you from these kind of people, they cling on to everything said...

Now switch it around--if Hillary called a Black woman reporter, "girl" like "gwirrrlll" or a Black male reporter, "boy", some kneegrows would lose they dayum minds.

It's the same thing as saying "nappy headed hoes"... Now, to me, I'd probably think it is a dumb thing to say by a man like Imus and wonder how does Imus know anything about "nappy headed" or "hoes"... Nevertheless, he meant to demean women, especially Black women, intentionally.

Whereas, Obama has to get the sexist label... Because like I said, read the "Isis Papers" and it will explain it fully. PM me if you want to know more, because I am unable to say it here...

[jitterbug13]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Its funny that the Obama's have the model family life and Biden has overcome a great tragedy (he actually didn't remarry until after 'death did them part') and raised beautiful, successful children (one of his son's is the Delaware State Attorney General) for several years as a single father.

On the other hand, you have an admitted adulterer (possibly a polygamist) married to a recovering drug addict, a drunk and an (alleged) abuser of political power who are parents of a pregnant teenage daughter.......Family values???

Something like that was brought up in the news thread about that. And major cosign on this!