Out of state pnms

[AlphaXi_Husky]

It didn't work for me either. But if you go to the homepage and use the search function (type something like "OSU sorority") you should be able to get the list as one of the results and view it that way.

I saw a lot of Texas and Kansas, plus one Florida and one Illinois, but most were from OK.

[Titchou]

Last year, something like 45% at Alabama were from out of state. I don't have the exact stats any more. The large state schools get a lot of out of state students so I don't think that simple fact of being out of state is a negative. The sponsor form is the key in these situations. I fell into both categories as I lived in state but had attended boarding school out of state for high school. That one fact may have helped me as everyone wanted to know what it was lke to go to boarding school! At least they remembered me.

[exlurker]

Maybe this will work?

http://www.stillwater-newspress.com/...225113435.html

Anyway, it's from the August 12, 2008 Stillwater (OK) News-Press, so that paper's site can probably be searched if need be.

Originally Posted by AlphaXi_Husky

It didn't work for me either. But if you go to the homepage and use the search function (type something like "OSU sorority") you should be able to get the list as one of the results and view it that way.

I saw a lot of Texas and Kansas, plus one Florida and one Illinois, but most were from OK.

Originally Posted by exlurker

Maybe this will work?

http://www.stillwater-newspress.com/...225113435.html

Anyway, it's from the August 12, 2008 Stillwater (OK) News-Press, so that paper's site can probably be searched if need be.

The link works, but it's kinda hard to read.

Looks like they just copied and pasted from the .xls

[irishpipes]

Oklahoma State results by state:

Oklahoma - 378
Texas - 101
Kansas - 20
Arkansas - 6
California - 3
New York - 3
Missouri - 2
Illinois - 2
Colorado - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Tennessee - 1
North Carolina - 1
New Mexico - 1
Nevada - 1
Arizona - 1

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Oklahoma State results by state:

Oklahoma - 378
Texas - 101
Kansas - 20
Arkansas - 6
California - 3
New York - 3
Missouri - 2
Illinois - 2
Colorado - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Tennessee - 1
North Carolina - 1
New Mexico - 1
Nevada - 1
Arizona - 1

I doubt there'd be any stats on this, but I'd love to see how many total PNM's went through broken down by state as well.

For Universities surrounding Dallas (Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, notably) Texas isn't all that much of an "out of state" thing. Most of the girls coming up here have 6 or 7 friends in sororities as it is.

[irishpipes]

Very true. The chapter I advise at Arkansas has many, many Texas girls. Arkansas has some program that students from adjoining states get in-state tuition if they score a 25 (I think that's right) or more on their ACT.

I know in Tulsa we have a large number of kids going to Arkansas every year to take advantage of that program. The ones I know this year, without exception, have said they qualified for more scholarship money at Arkansas than they could get at OSU or OU.

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Very true. The chapter I advise at Arkansas has many, many Texas girls. Arkansas has some program that students from adjoining states get in-state tuition if they score a 25 (I think that's right) or more on their ACT.

Really? That's a huge incentive to adjoining state out of state students.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by Zillini

Really? That's a huge incentive to adjoining state out of state students.

Especially ones affected by the top 10% rule at UT, who went to prestigious/rich high schools and are say in the top 15% of their class, and consequently can't get into UT.

[chioalum]

My daughter recently completed recruitement at Southern Miss. We are from Virginia. Most of the other out of state girls were from Alabama and Louisiana. When she entered recruitment she didn't know anyone attending USM and had only encoutered a few of the sorority members at tables during orientation. We worked to get her two recs from each sorority on campus. I am also a very active alum of Chi O so it was easier for me to obtain recs for my daughter as many of my friends are in the sororitites on campus. She was immediately cut after the first day by DG, Pi Beta Phi and Phi Mu. The next round of parties she attended KD, DDD, Chi O and ADPI, four houses for philanthropy day and attended the same round of four parties for skit day. She then was cut down to only one pref party. I just returned from moving the rest of her dorm essentials and she did tell me that most of the girls going through recruitment knew some of the sisters already in the house. She made it to one of the final four that is considered for taking most of the local girls. I was very proud of her accomplishments and although she has tried to remain positive with her ultimate choice, I think she is still dissapointed in the final outcome. She is giving it a try and for this I admire her. She also stated that some of the girls had attended some pre partiesin the spring. I think it was essential for her to have those recs otherwise she would have gotten cut harder from the beginning because they didn't know her. She was also very prepared with questions and apprpriate dress. Although I have heard Southern Miss isn't considered competitive. I felt in the end it was. I have a friend whose duaghter is atteding Alabama from Virginia she is a four time legacy to one chapter and her mom is on the executive board. I will keep you updated on this girls progress at Alabama.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by lawgal

This is really for all posters.
Zillini, in a different thread in the last few days (dealing with difficulties of smaller chapters ) in discussing the use of release figures, you mentioned that ''There is less chance for those unknown "discovery" PNMs (especially out of state) to be invited back, someone who the chapter didn't know squat about before Recruitment ". In a thread from last winter there was a comment by one poster about a cousin pledging a sorority that was having problems because "It was her only shot at a sorority because she was from out of state."

Can you give any kind of realistic assessment about the difficulty of an out of state pnm being successful in recruitment at a large Southern school like Auburn or Florida? Will she get cut heavily because she is from out of state?

Should she just settle for what she can get?

We can't give chances or probability or anything else.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by Army Wife'79

lawgal I was so curious about this last year I asked Irish Pipes if she could do her computer magic and break them (Auburn's) down by state and by group. She did and most OOS'ers were from nearby states. Maybe she'll do it again this year after AU posts it's lists with the hometowns listed.

Auburn results by chapter, by state, are in the Auburn recruitment thread.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

We're not statisticans or fortune tellers. We can't give chances or probability or anything else. How about just let the girl go through rush?

But some of us are amateur recruitment statisticians. It's sad but true, and I'll admit without apology that I find it interesting.

While we can't give any one person any probability for a specific girl, based on what some campuses release on the bid lists and what one can do sorting in Excel, you can see how things shook out this year at least.

ETA: and yes, we probably could get all uppity and tell people to look it up themselves but by the time people from the next year want to know the data is sometimes hard to find.

[lawgal]

Actually most of the responses on this thread gave really good advice for the out of state (or out of region) pnm. And I guess that was what I was really looking for. If the situation appeared hopeless or rarely successful for someone out of region, that information also is helpful. The search for realistic expectations can sometimes be helped by the numbers (which is why I asked) but the experience of the GC chat members appears to be the most helpful. I don't think I asked anyone how they thought a particular specific individual would do with a particular specific sorority. I realize no one on or off GC could tell that and I apologize if someone interpreted my question as asking this.

(But it does appear there are some very capable statisticians, amatuer or otherwise.)

Apart from that, I have to say that I find the recruitment stories and the following of particular recruitments at the various schools addicting. Not really sure why....

[irishpipes]

I think there is some reading between the lines going on as well for people who have some familiarity with the chapters and reputations on certain campuses. So, there can be an implied correlation between the by state listing of the NMs and the chapter rep. Not to go all status-crazy, but some posters would be lying if they said that never entered their minds when perusing the lists. Just being honest.