Obama effectively clinches nomination

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

First, this is a terrible argument for why I should vote for Barack Obama. Wealth redistribution, higher taxes and increased regulation aren't what I think America needs to rebuild the economy.

Second, at least we're retaining the appearance of capitalism. Enterprise economic systems fluctuate. I'm ok with that.

I am not arguing the point of who to vote for.
I was just commenting on the current state of the economy.
Over the past 8 years.
And I have very little problem with those making a great deal of money paying a fair share of taxes back. And some guy named Buffet seems to think like that as well.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

First, this is a terrible argument for why I should vote for Barack Obama. Wealth redistribution, higher taxes and increased regulation aren't what I think America needs to rebuild the economy.

Second, at least we're retaining the appearance of capitalism. Enterprise economic systems fluctuate. I'm ok with that.

I would have been OK with Hillary's plan which would have raised taxes for big earners back to 39% but Obama's "change" is going to bankrupt this country should he ever make it to the white house.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I am not arguing the point of who to vote for.
I was just commenting on the current state of the economy.
Over the past 8 years.
And I have very little problem with those making a great deal of money paying a fair share of taxes back. And some guy named Buffet seems to think like that as well.

There's a difference between it being voluntary and forced (see: Socialism.)

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by jon1856

OTW-I agree with you. I do not understand the poker games she is now playing at all. Yes, she does have chips to cash in but at what cost to whom and how many?
Just about the only thing I can think of at this late hour of the day is that she wishes to let her followers vent for a few days and then come out with some speech or announcement that she is going to fully support Obama.
But all in all, IMVHO, it would have been over all so much better for just about all concerned if she had done that tonight.
As in many cases, only time will tell on this.

I also think her supporters will need time to vent. She needs to set that tone and should have done it last night. And, to openly campaign for the VP spot just makes me mad. She's trying to pen Obama in a corner.

Also, I'm curious to see how Hillary & Bill are going to go out and stomp for Obama. It's been so much negativity from their camp.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Ten/Four

I also think her supporters will need time to vent. She needs to set that tone and should have done it last night. And, to openly campaign for the VP spot just makes me mad. She's trying to pen Obama in a corner.

Also, I'm curious to see how Hillary & Bill are going to go out and stomp for Obama. It's been so much negativity from their camp.

I failed to add to my earlier posting that perhaps another reason for Hillary to "hold off" is the $11 million debt in her campaign account. She maybe looking for donations from both her supporters as well as Obama.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I am not arguing the point of who to vote for.
I was just commenting on the current state of the economy.
Over the past 8 years.
And I have very little problem with those making a great deal of money paying a fair share of taxes back. And some guy named Buffet seems to think like that as well.

We probably have different views on what is "fair." Also, though I respect Warren, I don't really care about his views on taxation.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

We probably have different views on what is "fair." Also, though I respect Warren, I don't really care about his views on taxation.

Ok-fine.
I can not speak for you, but I know that I am no where near the top 1%..
Perhaps 10%

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Ok-fine.
I can not speak for you, but I know that I am no where near the top 1%..
Perhaps 10%

I don't know that someone's current wealth position always has a direct correlation to their feelings on tax policy. I'm certainly not top 1%, but I agree more with Shiner's position.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I don't know that someone's current wealth position always has a direct correlation to their feelings on tax policy. I'm certainly not top 1%, but I agree more with Shiner's position.

We perhaps should start a thread on tax and end this hi-jack.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Does anyone think that Obama HAS to choose Clinton now? She has said she will consider the spot... MEANING, if she doesn't get it after winning the popular vote... the Clinton-ites will go from livid to psycho She forced Obama to give it to her now.

Personally, I really think Obama should choose Kathleen Sebelius. It will help him fill his weakness. She has been a vocal supporter of his. She is a strong woman who could hopefully attract the Clinton-ites... AND she is not scary!!!

[shinerbock]

Barack doesn't need a woman, he needs a white male. If I was running his campaign, I'd suggest Evan Bayh.

As for taxation, all Barack is telling me is that he won't make an unfair tax system more unfair to most. I'm not impressed. That is, if I'm to believe him.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Does anyone think that Obama HAS to choose Clinton now? She has said she will consider the spot... MEANING, if she doesn't get it after winning the popular vote... the Clinton-ites will go from livid to psycho She forced Obama to give it to her now.

Personally, I really think Obama should choose Kathleen Sebelius. It will help him fill his weakness. She has been a vocal supporter of his. She is a strong woman who could hopefully attract the Clinton-ites... AND she is not scary!!!

Has too-No.
On a list-perhaps yes.
Have heard Kathleen's name in other conversations. She should definitely be on The A List.
I think a few former Generals could/should be on list as well.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Barack doesn't need a woman, he needs a white male. If I was running his campaign, I'd suggest Evan Bayh.

That's not a bad idea, except he might want to look for someone from a different region of the US. I guess Clinton & Gore effectively have disproved that being a must though.

When I hear some of the ideas for Republican Veep, I honestly want to hurl...it's pretty bad when you think "can't they just call Dan Quayle?"

[unspokenone25]

Originally Posted by KDAngel

Saying it because I don't understand how Americans have let this happen.

Yes, I'm in a GOP lobbying firm and I do support McCain, but I can fathom the idea of Hillary running the country. And while I don't like her or her politics, I don't think she'd be a global disaster for the US the same way I think Obama could be.

He's a FANTASTIC, top of the line speaker but the man's hardly ready to be Commander-in-Chief and President and his politics would destroy our economy in my opinion...

Oh well, let the battle begin I suppose.

Wow. Couldn't do much worse than your ole buddy, Dubya. And if I were a GOP lobbyist (so glad I turned down that job), I would be depressed too.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Does anyone think that Obama HAS to choose Clinton now? She has said she will consider the spot... MEANING, if she doesn't get it after winning the popular vote... the Clinton-ites will go from livid to psycho She forced Obama to give it to her now.

Personally, I really think Obama should choose Kathleen Sebelius. It will help him fill his weakness. She has been a vocal supporter of his. She is a strong woman who could hopefully attract the Clinton-ites... AND she is not scary!!!

See my earlier post. If he selects that shrill vindictive bitch, then he will be seen as weak and the Clinton era of lies, deceit, and liberal entitlement will continue.

Oh damn, maybe I should just go on and admit that I'm slowly becoming Republican. Those damn taxes do it to me every time...

He needs a white male from the South, or maybe the Rust Belt.