Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[a.e.B.O.T.]

I think if anyone would speak their mind in America, truly speak their mind and opinion, SOMETHING they say will offend more the half of the country. PERIOD. Now, I do not condone racism, and I do not know if I could vote for a president if he or his wife make racist remarks. With that said, I support Michelle Obama from what I KNOW for a fact she has said (i.e. not this supposed crap), because she is out their saying her mind and letting it known. That is more than I can say on almost merely all politicians and their spouses. The video attached to this article offended me more then the article. I stopped the video after I saw some dumb jackass saying he has always loved this country because he has the right to bear arms while showing his 20 billion guns in the back. That is like saying 'I love this country because I can be excessive with showcasing my apparent masculinity.' Anywho, it is not fair to cast drastic judgement without proof, of course, if I saw a video of M.O. attacking "whitey" then I guess, for a second election in a row, I am reduced to wasting my vote on the libertarian party.

[EE-BO]

I think you are exactly right shinerbock- in fact every time Obama has gone a bit deeper- such as in his interview on CNBC when he got into the capital gains tax- he revealed an incredibly liberal approach.

Obama's "Hope and Change" attitude is a cover for the fact he has the mentality of an angry liberal during the Reagan Administration. He is NOT a man for our time- and even back then at the height, that kind of liberalism was never given free reign. America gave centrist Bill Clinton a Democrat-controlled Congress for 2 years. They won't do that for Obama- assuming it becomes apparent he might win, and I think he has no chance.

The fact "Hope and Change" is a snow job is what goes a step further and makes Obama a huge hypocrite and the worst politician of all in this race.

McCain can be an incredible speaker. Plus he has substance and gets very specific when he talks on key issues. I really think that in their first debate McCain will get all the undecideds and swing voters he needs for this to be essentially over.

Many times during the Obama-Hillary debates, Obama got flustered when Hillary nailed him on something. Many people, myself included, think Hillary "won" just about all the debates with him in terms of logical argument. But Obama and Hillary largely agree. There was not a whole lot to debate there from a big picture perspective.

Just wait until he gets one on one with McCain. I am going to enjoy watching Obama get his clock cleaned by a man who really does respect America and the intelligence of its citizens.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I am going to enjoy watching Obama get his clock cleaned by a man who really does respect America and the intelligence of its citizens.

That is a ridiculous statement.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

That is a ridiculous statement.

Did you see the recent speech where Obama said we should not worry about Iran because it is a tiny country? I am not speaking out of context- that is what he said. That is a complete and utter disregard for what terrorism is and how terrorism works. It was not some huge nation that killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

Have you heard the many speeches Obama has made on evil oil companies or high gas prices? They sound very appealing but lack in substance or solutions.

How often has Obama given you specific information you can understand and trust in when it comes to why and how he would accomplish something- and where the money would come from?

Did you hear Obama talk about poor people who cling to guns and religion?

Have you heard the very few times Obama has spoken about taxation and given very strong indications he will raise the capital gains tax by double digits and increase taxes across the board? Has he ever explained who the capital gains tax really affects to your satisfaction? Are you familiar with who that tax effects in the most common types of transactions to which it is subject? Did you know higher capital gains taxes decimate the middle class as well as "rich folks" and "big business."

Why did it take him until this weekend to withdraw from his church?


I am proud and happy to say that Obama is a liberal elitist who really thinks the average American is stupid enough to buy into his Utopian "Hope and Change" crap when all the time he is the ONE candidate who is refusing to put his neck on the line and be specific about his goals and honest about his past influences.

Hillary and McCain have both been very specific about what they will do, and very pragmatic in their approaches. They show a degree of intelligence, experience and maturity to rule this nation.

Obama does not. He is a fraud. Call me wrong all you want, but just wait until November when he get absolutely skunked in the general election.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Did you see the recent speech where Obama said we should not worry about Iran because it is a tiny country? I am not speaking out of context- that is what he said. That is a complete and utter disregard for what terrorism is and how terrorism works. It was not some huge nation that killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

Have you heard the many speeches Obama has made on evil oil companies or high gas prices? They sound very appealing but lack in substance or solutions.

How often has Obama given you specific information you can understand and trust in when it comes to why and how he would accomplish something- and where the money would come from?

Did you hear Obama talk about poor people who cling to guns and religion?

Have you heard the very few times Obama has spoken about taxation and given very strong indications he will raise the capital gains tax by double digits and increase taxes across the board? Has he ever explained who the capital gains tax really affects to your satisfaction? Are you familiar with who that tax effects in the most common types of transactions to which it is subject? Did you know higher capital gains taxes decimate the middle class as well as "rich folks" and "big business."

Why did it take him until this weekend to withdraw from his church?


I am proud and happy to say that Obama is a liberal elitist who really thinks the average American is stupid enough to buy into his Utopian "Hope and Change" crap when all the time he is the ONE candidate who is refusing to put his neck on the line and be specific about his goals and honest about his past influences.

Hillary and McCain have both been very specific about what they will do, and very pragmatic in their approaches. They show a degree of intelligence, experience and maturity to rule this nation.

Obama does not. He is a fraud. Call me wrong all you want, but just wait until November when he get absolutely skunked in the general election.

his thoughts on oil and gas companies are some of the most idiotic, clueless things i've ever heard

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Right, but it seems to point back to rhetoric rather than reality. The skills it takes to write inspirational somewhat political books and what it might actually take to govern and get stuff done may not be the same skill set.

Shinerbock seems to believe Obama will actually get stuff done and I'm curious why Shinerbock believes it. Anyone else is welcome to answer but reference to Obama writing books doesn't really deliver what I'm looking for.

(I think this is coming off as snippier than I mean it to. I'm not blowing your comments off because I generally find them interesting and insightful. It just seems like you're responding to a different question than I asked.)

Well you're talking about substance over style and I'm assuming you haven't read the books? The first was written before he was elected for political office and about his life, his struggles to find his identity. It's not really political or "inspirational" other than it is his life up through his work as an organizer in Chicago. The second is actually presents his political perspective and what he'd like to see for the government and the country. It's not just high level talk about change and hope, it's also detail oriented. Don't brush off the books just because of their titles or your assumptions about them.

If all you do is watch the headline news, you don't see the substance because the media (whether CNN or FOX) doesn't really care. The political question/answer shows are better because at least there people are forced to answer, or to make and obvious dodge. But if you listen to actual speeches, read opinion articles from all perspectives, etc. you can see the substance.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Did you see the recent speech where Obama said we should not worry about Iran because it is a tiny country? I am not speaking out of context- that is what he said. That is a complete and utter disregard for what terrorism is and how terrorism works. It was not some huge nation that killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

Have you heard the many speeches Obama has made on evil oil companies or high gas prices? They sound very appealing but lack in substance or solutions.

How often has Obama given you specific information you can understand and trust in when it comes to why and how he would accomplish something- and where the money would come from?

Did you hear Obama talk about poor people who cling to guns and religion?

Have you heard the very few times Obama has spoken about taxation and given very strong indications he will raise the capital gains tax by double digits and increase taxes across the board? Has he ever explained who the capital gains tax really affects to your satisfaction? Are you familiar with who that tax effects in the most common types of transactions to which it is subject? Did you know higher capital gains taxes decimate the middle class as well as "rich folks" and "big business."

Why did it take him until this weekend to withdraw from his church?


I am proud and happy to say that Obama is a liberal elitist who really thinks the average American is stupid enough to buy into his Utopian "Hope and Change" crap when all the time he is the ONE candidate who is refusing to put his neck on the line and be specific about his goals and honest about his past influences.

Hillary and McCain have both been very specific about what they will do, and very pragmatic in their approaches. They show a degree of intelligence, experience and maturity to rule this nation.

Obama does not. He is a fraud. Call me wrong all you want, but just wait until November when he get absolutely skunked in the general election.

agreed on every count. at this point, i'm voting mccain... at least the guy is specific and not just throwing around the words "hope" and "change".

i live in texas anyway... the republican always wins texas

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

agreed on every count. at this point, i'm voting mccain... at least the guy is specific and not just throwing around the words "hope" and "change".

i live in texas anyway... the republican always wins texas

I had questions about Obama in that regard also until I really looked at his website. He has every issue with detailed plans right out there for anybody to read. My remaining concern is that everything he wants to do costs a lot of money and I'm not sure that his plan for paying for it all will fly with Congress. But, that's our checks and balances system. I'm not sure we can go for the sweeping changes all at once. It may take baby steps to move toward the change.

[EE-BO]

PS- Apologies if the strength of my conviction comes off personally preciousjeni. I do not mean to attack you at all. I really am this adamant about Obama, but if I am this strong in my view with blinders on to the other side- then I know and accept others are in the opposite camp with perhaps just as strong a view with just as strong a personal conviction.

[shinerbock]

Cynthia McKinney is perhaps the most disgusting human on the planet. The 15 seconds I spent with her on a capitol elevator were among the worst in my life.

[AGDee]

I was afraid as soon as I mentioned the "a" word that this thread would become a debate on it. We do have other threads that debate that issue, just like the gay marriage thread.

The problem with legislating morality that doesn't impact anybody else is that there is too broad a spectrum of what is moral. Do we legislate according the most lenient or the most strict? We tried Prohibition once and you see how far that got.

As for healthcare, Obama is not proposing one health insurer for all. He is proposing financial penalties (basically) to employers who do not offer health insurance, and providing affordable (sliding scale) health insurance to everybody else. That was my understanding of his "universal health care" system. While he would essentially expand the current federal employees health plan to include anybody who wanted/needed it, people would also have an option of buying private health insurance instead. I would also be opposed to one insurer for all as it would thwart capitalism. I can see Obama's plan increasing competition among health care insurers. One of my biggest frustrations as an employee of a health care system that owns it's own HMO is how limited my own options are, so I know how bad that would be.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I was afraid as soon as I mentioned the "a" word that this thread would become a debate on it. We do have other threads that debate that issue, just like the gay marriage thread.

I think we ran out of Michelle Obama rumor to talk about.

Originally Posted by AGDee

The problem with legislating morality that doesn't impact anybody else is that there is too broad a spectrum of what is moral. Do we legislate according the most lenient or the most strict? We tried Prohibition once and you see how far that got.

And I'd say that the problem lies in determining what morality doesn't impact anyone else.

Originally Posted by AGDee

As for healthcare, Obama is not proposing one health insurer for all. He is proposing financial penalties (basically) to employers who do not offer health insurance, and providing affordable (sliding scale) health insurance to everybody else. That was my understanding of his "universal health care" system. While he would essentially expand the current federal employees health plan to include anybody who wanted/needed it, people would also have an option of buying private health insurance instead. I would also be opposed to one insurer for all as it would thwart capitalism. I can see Obama's plan increasing competition among health care insurers. One of my biggest frustrations as an employee of a health care system that owns it's own HMO is how limited my own options are, so I know how bad that would be.

I just think it's a can of worms that once opened is just going to get worse and worse; more and more of an entitlement that no one wants to pay for and less and less about individual health and freedom.

[AGDee]

Well, and if we're going to move to a system of health care where only those who can afford will get it, then hospitals can't be held responsible for treating people who can't pay either. Currently, they can't turn people away. How many store owners would remain open if the rule was "Let the people who can afford to buy your goods pay for it but you have to let the others take what they want"? It's not fair to put hospitals in that position.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Well, and if we're going to move to a system of health care where only those who can afford will get it, then hospitals can't be held responsible for treating people who can't pay either. Currently, they can't turn people away. How many store owners would remain open if the rule was "Let the people who can afford to buy your goods pay for it but you have to let the others take what they want"? It's not fair to put hospitals in that position.

Can't compare stores and hospitals.

[AGDee]

Why?