Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...

Are you high?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Are you high?

Are you an idiot?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Are you an idiot?

I'm not the one who just authored an incoherent post based entirely in fantasy, so no.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Can you find one relevant quotation that supports this?

Seriously - these kinds of claims require some sort of citation, otherwise it's just silliness.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Can this be arranged?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...

Count me in with the people who can't figure out where this came from.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...

Wow - it doesn't look like anyone is putting Cindy McCain on a pedestal here. The discussion just seems to be about how acceptable it is to bring candidates' wives into the public debate.

I don't see anything wrong with Shiner's posts in this thread. He's not an Obama fan, and he doesn't think that Michelle Obama should be free from criticism. I don't see the problem.

Back on the subject - the statements of potential First Ladies don't make such a difference to me. It's interesting to see where they stand, but it's by no means determinative. If the potential first lady tries to make herself an issue in the campaign (like Theresa Heinz Kerry did during the last cycle), I think they open themselves up to some criticism. I don't think it deserves the same scrutiny as comments made by candidates, though.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Your too-liberal-to-believe posts are only rivaled by Leslie Anne.

Not sure how the post of mine you quoted was too-liberal-to-believe?

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Your too-liberal-to-believe posts are only rivaled by Leslie Anne.

Whoa, SEC! Yes, I'm a liberal but please don't make associations that imply my agreement.

For what it's worth, I entirely disagree with preciousjeni on the subject of Jeremiah Wright. I find his words both hateful and offensive. I don't know how much of those beliefs are shared by Barack and Michelle Obama...my guess would be that it's more than they would like us to believe.

HOWEVER, if you really think about it, for the last 200 years whites in America haven't had any problem with having racist white presidents. I'm actually finding the righteous indignation of white conservatives sadly amusing and ironic. What I'm curious about is what exactly would The Obama's racist beliefs (if they had them) mean in concrete political terms?

If some mysterious tape of Michelle Obama does happen appear it will change some minds, but not all. If Obama is the Democratic candidate I will still vote for him. I'm far more concerned with other matters.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

What I'm curious about is what exactly would The Obama's racist beliefs (if they had them) mean in concrete political terms?

Nothing (and I don't believe in the existence of substantive and systemic "black racism," anyway) whereas overtly racist white Presidents have been able to push that agenda in the past, shaping much of AmeriKKKa's history.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Whoa, SEC! Yes, I'm a liberal but please don't make associations that imply my agreement.

For what it's worth, I entirely disagree with preciousjeni on the subject of Jeremiah Wright. I find his words both hateful and offensive. I don't know how much of those beliefs are shared by Barack and Michelle Obama...my guess would be that it's more than they would like us to believe.

HOWEVER, if you really think about it, for the last 200 years whites in America haven't had any problem with having racist white presidents. I'm actually finding the righteous indignation of white conservatives sadly amusing and ironic. What I'm curious about is what exactly would The Obama's racist beliefs (if they had them) mean in concrete political terms?

If some mysterious tape of Michelle Obama does happen appear it will change some minds, but not all. If Obama is the Democratic candidate I will still vote for him. I'm far more concerned with other matters.

First, I think grouping all white conservatives in together is pretty absurd.

Obama's racism (if it exists, I don't personally feel strongly about it) doesn't bother me because I think he's going to punish white people. It actually isn't a matter of race, as much as it is a matter of class. For a party that constantly preaches against divisiveness, they're doing an excellent job of trying to rally the country against the wealthy. For example, accusing the oil industry of being at fault for gas woes.

Rather, as I just indicated, I'm concerned about the class struggle Barack seems intent on facilitating. This is a very common theme among the socialist-leaning far left, and that is what concerns me.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Rather, as I just indicated, I'm concerned about the class struggle Barack seems intent on facilitating. This is a very common theme among the socialist-leaning far left, and that is what concerns me.

Please explain further this "class struggle," because I don't see it. It seems more like his opponents are painting him as an elitist.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Please explain further this "class struggle," because I don't see it. It seems more like his opponents are painting him as an elitist.

They are. And he is (my opinion, of course).

But yes, a class struggle. Pitting the lower and middle classes against the upper class and corporations. You'll see it in energy sentiments. You'll certainly see it in tax policy statements. This is very common among academics and other far-left individuals who want to see systemic economic shifts.

Now, if I thought Barack was simply using a political tactic to win an election, I probably wouldn't be overly concerned. Pitting one group against another is part of the game. However, I think this will extend deep into his potential presidency, because as I've stated many times on here, I think Obama is a true ideologue. I firmly believe he envisions a much more interventionist government, and this is his way of getting it.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

They are. And he is (my opinion, of course).

But yes, a class struggle. Pitting the lower and middle classes against the upper class and corporations. You'll see it in energy sentiments. You'll certainly see it in tax policy statements. This is very common among academics and other far-left individuals who want to see systemic economic shifts.

Now, if I thought Barack was simply using a political tactic to win an election, I probably wouldn't be overly concerned. Pitting one group against another is part of the game. However, I think this will extend deep into his potential presidency, because as I've stated many times on here, I think Obama is a true ideologue. I firmly believe he envisions a much more interventionist government, and this is his way of getting it.

No, I absolutely agree that he is. But, I've never thought that elitism was such a bad thing...

I do see what you're getting at. But, poor people have always pitted themselves against the rich (hell, even the upper-middle classes)--and they've never needed politicians to do it for them.

I agree that he is doing it, but I think he's doing this as a political tactic, and he'll show his true colors as someone who benefits from his connections with corporations and the super-rich.