teacher assaulted by student, and caught on video

[Munchkin03]

We're all a little flipping naive here if we refuse to believe that any middle-class or even working-class parent with an ounce of sense would not fight TOOTH AND NAIL to keep their kid out of a school that was marked by the state to be a hotbed of urban violence. Let's not be so PC-kumbaya.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

We're all a little flipping naive here if we refuse to believe that any middle-class or even working-class parent with an ounce of sense would not fight TOOTH AND NAIL to keep their kid out of a school that was marked by the state to be a hotbed of urban violence. Let's not be so PC-kumbaya.

It's just a point of at the high rate in which school violence occurs nowadays....you can also do away with those labels.


Now, let me give you some contrast.....

In Montgomery county, supposedly THE RICHEST county in Maryland...

We have kids selling guns in the bathroom, when one goes off...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040902736.html

Forget the fact that the gun goes off...

In a county where the avg income is $85,000 dollars...why are these kids selling guns at school and someone just getting wind of this?


Why is school violence on the rise (since 1999) also in this same county?

I don't think it's because the parents here are on welfare....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I don't think it's because the parents here are on welfare....

You don't think that being raised not to understand the correlation between hard work and success and that the government owes you a living doesn't have an effect on anything?

Dream on.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Low-income, hence the welfare.

and you know for sure, that this was the case with this girl?

You still haven't answered my question...how can you ASSUME that this girl's family is on welfare?


And no, I am not comfortable with your answer "that the school that she goes to caters to this 'clientele' "cardboard answer that you gave.

Fact is, you don't know anything about Baltimore public schools beyond what you read...

Fact is, you don't know anything about the girl and the teacher based on what you saw on the video....



I mean you made the stereotypical statement that you can't garnish a welfare check right?


Now....pay attention, the other little school incidents that we have posted on, you barely made comments on ,short of your quote from Cicero ( very profound I must say) but yet here...it's judgemental?

I am so very curious as to what you think about the income levels and environments of the other school aged kids that we all have talked about these past few weeks and if your observations about that match what your assumption is here.


makes me wonder.....what if......?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and you know for sure, that this was the case with this girl?

You still haven't answered my question...how can you ASSUME that this girl's family is on welfare?

And no, I am not comfortable with your answer "that the school that she goes to caters to this 'clientele' "cardboard answer that you gave.

Fact is, you don't know anything about Baltimore public schools beyond what you read...

Fact is, you don't know anything about the girl and the teacher based on what you saw on the video....

I mean you made the stereotypical statement that you can't garnish a welfare check right?

Now....pay attention, the other little school incidents that we have posted on, you barely made comments on ,short of your quote from Cicero ( very profound I must say) but yet here...it's judgemental?

I am so very curious as to what you think about the income levels and environments of the other school aged kids that we all have talked about these past few weeks and if your observations about that match what your assumption is here.

makes me wonder.....what if......?

There's a 44% chance the kid qualifies for reduced school lunch. She's in a school which is a hotbed of violence. Her parents haven't made an effort to put her in any of Baltimore's alternative schools. My assumption is based on probabilities. I've never implied otherwise.

I'm sure many of the other kids in recent months have come from similar backgrounds. Perhaps not.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

There's a 44% chance the kid qualifies for reduced school lunch. She's in a school which is a hotbed of violence. Her parents haven't made an effort to put her in any of Baltimore's alternative schools. My assumption is based on probabilities. I've never implied otherwise.

I'm sure many of the other kids in recent months have come from similar backgrounds. Perhaps not.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture.

Income in some cases, doesn't always have anything to do with school violence.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture


I never taught in an inner city school, and I work in law, therefore I am not qualified to talk about education economics / politics.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Income in some cases, doesn't always have anything to do with school violence.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture


I never taught in an inner city school, and I work in law, therefore I am not qualified to talk about education economics / politics.

My wife teaches at an inner city school. My younger brother teaches at an inner city alternative school.

Income has nothing to do with school violence? In some cases, correct. In most cases, in fact, the vast majority, income is a reliable predictor of whether a school will be safe or not.

My wife's school, though having a very large percentage of lower income minorities is a very safe place. That's because it's a charter school though. Take the surrounding mainstream public high schools, though, and you'll see that in the wealthy areas, the public schools are great. There's excellent parental interaction, etc. Go to some of the poorer schools, such as the one my wife taught at in her first year of teaching, and you'll find that discipline is impossible, things are never the kids' faults, education is not valued, parents are either threatening to sue the school, or completely absent.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Kevin

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture.

It is also ludicrous that you would assume that test scores have any basis of anything.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by kstar

It is also ludicrous that you would assume that test scores have any basis of anything.

They are an indicator as to what kind of a learning environment exists. When 7% are passing a test as compared to 70% of their peers statewide, something is not right.

[Kevin]

haha.. yeah, I'm sure scoring 7% in a state where 70% is the norm is a direct result of Lewis' teachers refusing to teach the test. Glad you could clear that up for me.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Kevin

haha.. yeah, I'm sure scoring 7% in a state where 70% is the norm is a direct result of Lewis' teachers refusing to teach the test. Glad you could clear that up for me.

Glad to see that you could read and understand the whole post... LOL.

[macallan25]

Oh what do you know. DaemonSeid getting butt hurt in a thread and arguing with someone about their opinions on the matter till the cows come home.

Get over yourself turbo. Honestly. You bitch and moan and try to assert your intellectual dominance over people in threads more than anyone I've ever seen on here. It's f**king annoying and it makes you look like a pussy.

Some of his points were extremely valid. Some of them I'm not sure about. I think a massive school shooting would get attention no matter where it occurs. His thoughts on inner-city=welfare=violence etc. etc. etc. I agree with that for the most part. It's a cold hard reality.

I'm sure you'll reply with some douchebaggish insult or remark.

Carry on......

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh what do you know. DaemonSeid getting butt hurt in a thread and arguing with someone about their opinions on the matter till the cows come home.

Get over yourself turbo. Honestly. You bitch and moan and try to assert your intellectual dominance over people in threads more than anyone I've ever seen on here. It's f**king annoying and it makes you look like a pussy.

Some of his points were extremely valid. Some of them I'm not sure about. I think a massive school shooting would get attention no matter where it occurs. His thoughts on inner-city=welfare=violence etc. etc. etc. I agree with that for the most part. It's a cold hard reality.

I'm sure you'll reply with some douchebaggish insult or remark.

Carry on......

and yet you respond....what does that say about you mack?


ETA: BTW...peep this thread out when you have a minute:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...19#post1633319

These 2 guys graduated from 2 of the more high risk schools in Baltimore City....going by the 'stats', population of the area and school (which I do know very well) they should be in jail or dead.

But hey...what do I know?

[madmax]

The problem is the parents. Half the mothers are crackheads. The fathers are long gone and they only care about humping biitches and smokin blunts. The kids end up being raised by their 30 year old grandmothers. The kids don't care about school. They plan on being rappers or NBA stars.

holla